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Tank ID requested


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Hello,

Just got this original photo, has anyone seen this particular image before, what type of tank is it and what unit did it belonged to?

Regards, Hardy

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Nice photo - its a British Mk II Female knocked out at Arras. The camoflaged sponson suggests that this was originally on a Mk I Female

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It would either have been with C Bn or D Bn MGC if the picture is from the Arras battlefield

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The WD number appears to be 586, which belonged to 11 Co., D Bn. HBMGC and was destroyed at the first battle of Bullecourt on 11/4/17. Its company number was D28, and it was commanded by Lt. Clarkson. I believe 586 is likely to be wreck "4" as shown on C.E.W. Bean's map of the Bullecourt wrecks.post-11482-1182015938.jpg

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Very many thanks, especially to Gerald. I have often wondered about this tank. Here is a view of the other side. Note there is camouflage on the hull as well as the sponson.

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And another before the shell damage.

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had seen a reduced version of the last one before but had not realidse the photo was taken from a trench

Stephen

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Simon and Hardy, many thanks for posting these images, which are in better resolution than I've previously seen them - a great aid to identification. Allow me to offer a few more comments.

Firstly, Simon, I think what appears to be a band of camouflage on the portside front horn is, in fact, discolouration due to fire. A fuel tank was located right behind the ruptured plate on the front horn. As far as is known, only the MkI tanks received the multi-coloured "Solomon" camouflage; the MkII's received an overall brown scheme except for the sponsons on some of the female tanks which had been exchanged with those from MkI's. I do agree with your interpretation of these photos as "before and after" shots of the same vehicle, also the port and starboard views are of the same tank. The wreck photos show a tank which is resting level on relatively uncratered ground, immediately in front of some sort of excavation (which I think is a forward sap from OG1), with a barbed wire entanglement in the background. The camouflage on the port sponson (which each crew applied in an individual pattern) seems the same in both the before and after photos.

According to Bean, following an attack on the second Hindenberg trench (OG2), 586 was returning to the rally point when it was hit by artillery fire after re-crossing the first trench (OG1).

The tank seen below is another female MkII, possibly wreck "6".

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Gerald - where were the pictures of the tank on your post taken?

Stephen

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Stephen, I'm not entirely sure where the photos were taken, and would not rely on the caption to be accurate. Given that the wreck is a MkII fighting tank, the location is almost certainly in the Arras region, as you have previously noted. The landscape has been pulverised by artillery fire, suggesting that it lies near a German trench system. It must have been located on the portion of the Arras/Bullecourt battlefield which was retaken by the Germans in 1918.

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Hallo Malte,

ich finde deine Bilder sehr interessant - hast du irgendwelche Information zu den Bildern, wie z.B. Ort oder Zeit der Aufnahmen.

Gruss, Hardy

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Does anyone know the purpose of the sign on the portside front horn of 586, perched on the track? It can also be seen planted in front of the tank in one of Malte's photos.

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No I don't but I have seen it or something similar in other photos of knocked out/abandoned tanks. I'll have a look through my files but as I don't have a specific knocked out/abandoned folder it may take time.

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Here's a picture of 588 before capture. One small point: The camo pattern on the sponson doesn't look the same.

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Here's a picture of 588 before capture. One small point: The camo pattern on the sponson doesn't look the same.

Could this in fact be 538? The guy looks as if he'd sticking his head out of a MkI type hatch. This would explain the different camo.

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No, it's definitely a Mk II. You can just make out the loophole below his face. I've included a blowup of the number and the front of the middle '8' is just visible through the mud.

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Lost me there - aren't the rivets the same on all tanks of the same Mk?

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Lost me there - aren't the rivets the same on all tanks of the same Mk?

Yes of course, that is why we can compare the two numbers :)

The white numbers in size and placement compared to the rivets of the tank gives you a good way of comparing the two tanks. Based on that it seems to me that the numbers on both tanks are exactly in the same place - ergo it must be the same tank.

Hardy

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