Guest pootle26 Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 Hi all , i have a photo taken in ww1 of my grandfather & his battalion(?) the names of which are all listed - the soldiers are: LC-CPL BYFORD W " GARVEY J " TESTER J " MASTERS J " CLARK S " TURNER C. E " LAMMAS R.T " MARSH J " MEWITT R " BARTON G CPL COLLINS G.J " KING F " STEPHENS G " BADCOCK T.J SGT BELL T " BENNETT W.J CAPTAIN: E. BRUCE-HAY does anyone recognise these people? - can anyone tell me which battalion this was? i also have a certificate given by "SOUTHWICK PATRIOTIC FUND" to by grandfather - he lived in sussex- (southwick) & the certificate says 1/4th york & lancaster regiment CAN ANYONE HELP!!???!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 There was a Edward Bruce Hay in the Indian Army Reserve of Officers - but as he was a Lt in the middle of 1917, the photo must have been after this date (if it is the same man). I believe Edward was related to Major-General Charles John Bruce Hay (1877-1940), Indian Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 Hi pootle. Can you please post the picture, I am sure this will provide some answers. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pootle26 Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 i'll try & scan it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pootle26 Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 here it is - i hope sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Noble Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 Hi Sam. A bit speculative but. Soldiers Died. Private Frederick Charles King 203200 1/4th Yorks and Lancs. Born. Homerton, London. Enlisted, Streatham, London. K.I.A. 9/10/17. Private John Marsh 203409 1/4th Yorks and Lancs. Enlisted, Scarborough. Residence, Malton, Yorks. K.I.A. 23/7/17. Regards, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pootle26 Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 mmm ... quite possibly could be them - my grandad also had a brother - PERCY BYFORD service no S/108 - k.ia 28/9/1916 royal sussex 2nd battalion - am i right in saying that the royal sussex joined up with the 1/4 york & lancaster ? many thanks sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Noble Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 Hi Sam. If you go to the mother site you will find the info you need. 1/4th Yorks and Lancs, 49th Division. 2/R. Sussex, 1st Division. I forgot to add. J. Marsh formerly served as 2875 Yorkshire Regiment (Green Howards) F. King, formerly served as 6252 Hertfordshire Regiment. Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigantian Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 Sam A bit more information: The 1/4th (Hallamshire) Battalion, York and Lancaster Regiment, was a pre-war Territorial Army unit based in Sheffield. I have checked D. P. Grant’s history of the Battalion but unfortunately none of the men in the photograph are mentioned in it. Regards Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 Guys, please don't assume that this is York and Lancs. Chris has admitted that he was speculating. I'm not sure that King and Marsh are the same guys (both are NCOs in the photo, and I doubt were both 'bust' before they were killed). I think the key to solving this is by identifying Sgt-Major Ball. Why can't I find him at the online MICs....?? Badcock TJ should be easy to identify on the MIC - but again I can't find him. Lammas is far from common, but I can't identify this chap either. No trace for the birth of R Mewitt. If I'm not mistaken, the style of Bruce-Hey's tunic makes it early in the war....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 If I'm not mistaken, the style of Bruce-Hey's tunic makes it early in the war....?? I suspect this is pre war, not only from the content of the picture but the mount and presentation. A gymnastic team maybe? The cap badge does appear correct for the York and Lancs, any chance of a close up? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 John I think you're right. I've found a reference to a chap called A/CSM Instructor AG Lammas A. Gym Staff. I hope this helps tie this pic down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pootle26 Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 hi - i just looked at the photo again - it says CSM INSTR. BALL G I DONT KNOW IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE? MANY THANKS IN TRYING TO TRACE THIS SAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pootle26 Posted 17 April , 2004 Share Posted 17 April , 2004 hi - after looking at the photo carefully i am 80% sure the captain E.BRUCE HAYS badges on his collar look the same as middlesex regiment (badge code INF88?) does this shed any more light on the subject???? or has it confused everyone!!!! looking forward to your replies sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pootle26 Posted 19 April , 2004 Share Posted 19 April , 2004 nudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Pete Wood Posted 20 April , 2004 Share Posted 20 April , 2004 You keep nudging this to the top of the list, but John (Raster Scanning) has asked for a close-up of the badge. So how about it.....?? Hopefully, this will help John - because I don't know what else to suggest. I think your only hope is to wait until some more of the Medal Index Cards come online and see if you can identify the unit(s). I have checked all the likely candidates (including Ball!!!!!) and I can't find a match with the surnames beginning with A, B, or C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pootle26 Posted 21 April , 2004 Share Posted 21 April , 2004 i have tried to do a close up but unfortunately it blurrs - both me & my hubby are positive the bade looks like the middlesex badge dont know if this helps thanks sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 26 June , 2004 Share Posted 26 June , 2004 I came across this old thread by chance, and don't remember ever having seen it before, but I think it is a photo of the Army Gymnastic Staff [later the Army Physical Training Corps] taken outside the Army School of Physical Training at Aldershot [although it wouldn't have been called that then]. My father was a Warrant Officer Instructor there in the 'forties and 'fiftys, and I grew up looking at remarkably similar images - there was one taken every year. Most of them are with my sister now, but this is one I still have [1944] - the background is similar, but taken further along the wall. Even if the one at the top of this thread was taken in wartime, the men could well have been home service only, and would not have medal index cards. Sue [Definitely raking up her past with this one!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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