Tom Tulloch-Marshall Posted 21 February , 2010 Share Posted 21 February , 2010 Maybe of interest to anybody who owns or has access to a copy of The White Cross Touring Atlas Of The Western Battlefields I have recently been corresponding with a very helpful lady called Anna Stone, who is the Group Archivist for the Aviva Insurance group, - The White Cross Insurance Association (what was the Red Cross Indemnity Assurance Company) being Aviva's original antecedents. Anna was looking at records which may have shown when the touring atlas was published - information which may have been useful to know Nothing definite has come to light, but her latest advice is as follows > Tom, Sorry about the delay - I went through all the board minutes but found no reference to the booklet (although I did find references to staff who died in the war and will be able to add them to our on-line memorial. ) I tried another tack and have been able to narrow down the date of publication using references to the opening and closure or branch offices as listed at the front of the booklet. Looking at the branches listed the booklet must have been printed (or sent for printing) before November 1919 (as this is when a new branch was established in Cardiff which is not listed in the booklet) and after July 22 1919 as this is when the new Norwich branch was opened which is listed in the booklet. I am sorry not to be more accurate but hope that the slightly more accurate date will be of some use and would be interested to know if it ties in with your thoughts having seen the cemeteries listed and omitted. Regards, Anna If anybody else has any useful information about this publication I'd be pleased to hear of it. By the way - Aviva's website has a heritage section which includes a significant WW1 element > http://www.aviva.com/about-us/heritage/world-war-one/ Look at "letters home" for example. regards - Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_J Posted 21 February , 2010 Share Posted 21 February , 2010 Thanks Tom, I have a copy of this and with no publication date suspected it was early, but not quite as early as seems likley from this e-mail. In fact, it was quite an achievement to get a pretty comprehensive listing and maps published so soon after the war had ended. It would seem from your post some cemeteries are missing - although I guess some post-war concentration cemeteries might not have been created if it was published less than a year after the war ended? Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 21 February , 2010 Share Posted 21 February , 2010 Tom That is really useful info and goes a long way to answering what has been a much discussed question for years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartH Posted 21 February , 2010 Share Posted 21 February , 2010 I have a copy of Muirhead's Belgium and The Western Front, British and American, published 1920. I wonder if there are any similarities? I find it useful when over there, better than Ward Lock and Co, to see what it was like at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinBattle Posted 21 February , 2010 Share Posted 21 February , 2010 Fascinating and also reassuring that Aviva haven't dumped their heritage. Dates back to when a company cared about the fate of it's wartime soldiers and I'd like to encourage efforts on helping resolve this... The more Big Business understands that this area has a great following, the better able we will be to eork together to ensure our heritage is not lost..... The clues between the dates of offices opening is really useful. I am surprised that it seems to be as early as 1919, which reflects great credit on the corporate image of Aviva and its forebears... any other clues as to better dating? Which cemeteries are mentioned and which are not? Any Plot details which might help narrow down when cemeteries were concentrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Tulloch-Marshall Posted 22 February , 2010 Author Share Posted 22 February , 2010 ................. I am surprised that it seems to be as early as 1919, ................................. Which cemeteries are mentioned and which are not? Any Plot details which might help narrow down when cemeteries were concentrated? Kevin - I was also slightly surprised by the indications being towards publication probably between August and October 1919. If you take into account an allowance for information gathering, arranging printing, etc etc, then that might point to the process being put in motion - when - second quarter of 1919, or maybe even earlier ? It would be fascinating to find out the mechanics of how this publication was researched and put into production, but I think that if such detail had been available then Anna Stone at Aviva would probably have already found it. (Archives being archives though - "new" information seems always to be coming to light and maybe something will be found in the future). I rather suspect that The White Cross Insurance Association may have obtained the original cemetery details from the IWGC rather than researching and compiling the information themselves. Huge areas were in a state of devestation in 1919 and I would think that British civilians would have had physical difficulty in accessing the areas (not to mention the danger from munitions etc). One possibly telling reference in the text of the atlas says that "Albert has been utterly devastated by the continuous bombardment to which it was subjected, and which became especially severe during the operations of 1918." The reference to 1918 in the past tense is no great revelation, but note that Albert "has been" rather than "was" - surely an inference that no reconstruction has begun - again pointing to very early publication of the atlas (?). The atlas shows no hint of Warlencourt British Cemetery or Delville Wood Cemetery (for example), and London Cemetery at High Wood is indexed as just that, - no reference to the Extension in the current title. In passing, Tyne Cot is indexed as Tyne Cottage Cemetery, Passchendaele, and just to confuse you Ninth Avenue Cemetery at Haisnes (Loos) is indexed as Tenth Avenue (is that simply an error or is there any historical accuracy in that ?). Its the illustration of the cemeteries which did exist at the time the atlas was compiled which is of most interest - for example there are five between the SE corner of High Wood and the High Wood to Bazentin-le-Petit road. Unfortunately though the atlas illustrates the cemetery numbers but indexes by cemetery name, so if you dont already know the name you have to trawl the number column to find out what the cemetery was called. I dont suppose anybody has ever reconfigured this index so you can search it by cemetery number ? (can I have a copy please !?). Nb - IWM indexes this atlas as "n/d" as well (no publication date). regards - Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 22 February , 2010 Share Posted 22 February , 2010 I too am surprised how early this publication is. Of course, this is a practical touring atlas and I would imagine that the IWGC would have been keen to assist in making such a publication available. I too have been frustrated by the indexing in my copy. I wonder how many were published? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 8 November , 2019 Share Posted 8 November , 2019 My copy arrived today in Canada - yahoo!  I was checking on the date, to make sure it is not in copyright. I don't want to publish any maps or tables if that is the case. I still need to determine when Alexander Gross died to accommodate the "Life + 50 years" rule. That would make the current cut-off date as 1969, which is possible.  I also want to check if GWF members have copies for sale, as publishing to Archive.org may impact on the resale value of paper copies.  My first task was to check on Irish Farm Cemetery, as the New Irish Farm Cemetery might have existed at that time as well. There is only one of the two in the book (#844). Some of us question as to whether the CWGC has the locations correct, particularly for the internment of the most recent burials of the Royal Fusiliers (GWF Topic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 10 December , 2019 Share Posted 10 December , 2019 I have completed the scanning of the booklet and it is loaded.  I also found the problem with the index, so I ran a test to use Paperport to convert the table so it can be sorted. It is possible, but it takes a lot of work to get it perfect. Here is an example:  For the example I took a small section of the first page of the index, which can be a .max, .pdf or .jpeg file.   Using Nuance PaperPort you drag that image into the conversion box for WORD or some similar text program. It is easier to clean up up in a text program than to go directly to a SPREADSHEET. The above now appears as below, after it has been cleaned up a bit. That is the biggest task, as you can see a number of scrambled items.  41buera Cemetery, Bailleul-sire-Berthoult 49   F 14 23 &ldershot Military Cemetery, Bouchavesnes 55   F 18 24 Allery Communal Cemetery...........9           E 6  1968 Allonville Communal Cemetery . .  ..   10   G 6  25 Amerval Communal Cemetery Extension, Solesmes  59   M 16 26 Ancre British Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel.. 50   D 17 27 Ancre River Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel ..  50   D 17 28 Andigny-les-Fermes     British    Cemetery   Vaux               ..........................Andigny....... 12   J    5    29 Angle Wood Cemetery, Ginchy  55   F 18 30 ............Angreau Communal Cemetery    12   K 4  2129 .............    46   E 13 32 Angres Churchyard            Angres Road Cemetery, Givenchy-en-Gohelle 47   E 13 33 Anneux British Cemetery, Anneux .. ..   53   H 16 35  That can then be copied and pasted into EXCEL so you get a SPREADSHEET version:  Cemetery Page X Y # Albuera Cemetery, Bailleul-sire-Berthoult 49 F 14 23 Aldershot Military Cemetery, Bouchavesues 55 F 18 24 Allery Communal Cemetery 9 E 6 1968 Allonville Communal Cemetery 10 G 6 25 Amerval Communal Cemetery Extension, Solesmes 59 M 16 26 Ancre British Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel 50 D 17 27 Ancre River Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel 50 D 17 28 Andigny-les-Fermes British Cemetery Vaux 12 J 5 29 Angle Wood Cemetery, Ginchy 55 F 18 30 Angreau Communal Cemetery 12 K 4 2129 Angres Churchyard 46 E 13 32 Angres Road Cemetery, Givenchy-en-Gohelle 47 E 13 33 Anneux British Cemetery, Anneux 53 H 16 35  Which you can then use the DATA/SORT function to put them in order of map number: (this is automatic and you can sort any way you want in seconds)  Cemetery Page X Y # Albuera Cemetery, Bailleul-sire-Berthoult 49 F 14 23 Aldershot Military Cemetery, Bouchavesues 55 F 18 24 Allonville Communal Cemetery 10 G 6 25 Amerval Communal Cemetery Extension, Solesmes 59 M 16 26 Ancre British Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel 50 D 17 27 Ancre River Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel 50 D 17 28 Andigny-les-Fermes British Cemetery Vaux 12 J 5 29 Angle Wood Cemetery, Ginchy 55 F 18 30 Angres Churchyard 46 E 13 32 Angres Road Cemetery, Givenchy-en-Gohelle 47 E 13 33 Anneux British Cemetery, Anneux 53 H 16 35 Allery Communal Cemetery 9 E 6 1968 Angreau Communal Cemetery 12 K 4 2129  There are thirty-five (35) index pages and this example is only part of a page. Probably the only way to complete this task would be to "crowd source" it out to members and have each person clean up one page. I can take the raw images and make that into the raw text, if others want to participate in the "clean up" phase. We would also need a few people to participate in the "proof reading" of the final tables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKY Posted 10 December , 2019 Share Posted 10 December , 2019 That's fascinating! When you say you have scanned it is it available for us to see , for instance would love to know where Angle Wood Cemetery was in Ginchy? Kind regards Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 10 December , 2019 Share Posted 10 December , 2019 A copy of this historic book finally became available in the UK. It was flagged and the purchase made. As with all of these great treasures, I buy them when I can and share them as best I can, within the confines of the copyright laws. It is now available from the MATRIX COLLECTION on Archive.org at this link: https://archive.org/details/thewhitecrosstouringatlasofthewesternbattlefields/  I am not seeking any payment for this booklet, however you are welcome to make a contribution to Archive.org, as like many depository sites they rely on funding from the users.They have a donate button in the header. I have also uploaded the raw scanned pages and various other versions to our shared MediaFire collection:  The White Cross Touring Atlas of the Western Battlefields  Some may prefer to download the ZIPPED version of all the pages from that site, as those are full scale JPEG images, so easy to enlarge to look for specific information.  I have created a folder on the MediaFire site for the Crowd-Sourcing Project as described in post #9. There you will find the index pages as individual sheets which you can use to create one of the index pages. Pick a page and when you are working on it, save it in the My Page Sub-Folder so others know that one is being completed. I will consolidate them all into the master EXCEL spreadsheet, which others can then download and use. I have made the folders but it will take a few minutes to get all the files in place for the project. If all works as planned, these links are special FILE DROP FOLDERS so you can upload as well as download to these folders form that link, however so far I have only got that to work on the My Page Sub-Folder ??  Quote  The White Cross Touring Atlas of the Western Battlefields Produced for the White Cross Insurance Association Ltd. by Geographia Ltd, both of London UK. This book contains 64 full coloured maps and war graves index of over 1,700 cemeteries on the Western Front. The date has always been a question, but is now believed to be circa 1920. A complex process of clearing the battlefields and concentration of smaller cemeteries into larger cemeteries continued long after the Great War of 1914-1918 was over. Many of the cemeteries mapped in this book no longer exist. Some of the newer cemeteries may not be listed. Researchers will need to determine which cemetery is shown "the old or the new", such as in the case of the Irish Farm Cemetery near Ypres, Belgium.    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 10 December , 2019 Share Posted 10 December , 2019 42 minutes ago, KIRKY said: That's fascinating! When you say you have scanned it is it available for us to see , for instance would love to know where Angle Wood Cemetery was in Ginchy? Kind regards Tony The White Cross Atlas doesn’t contain any map references so this one comes from another source Tony, Angle Wood Cemetery, Ginchy 62c.B.c.2.3  J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKY Posted 10 December , 2019 Share Posted 10 December , 2019 2 minutes ago, jay dubaya said: The White Cross Atlas doesn’t contain any map references so this one comes from another source Tony, Angle Wood Cemetery, Ginchy 62c.B.c.2.3  J THanks thats great, will try and locate it later today. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 10 December , 2019 Share Posted 10 December , 2019 (edited) The Crowd-Sourcing of the White Cross Atlas  5 hours ago, laughton said: I have created a folder on the MediaFire site for the Crowd-Sourcing Project as described in post #9. There you will find the index pages as individual sheets which you can use to create one of the index pages. Pick a page and when you are working on it, save it in the My Page Sub-Folder so others know that one is being completed. I will consolidate them all into the master EXCEL spreadsheet, which others can then download and use. I have made the folders but it will take a few minutes to get all the files in place for the project. If all works as planned, these links are special FILE DROP FOLDERS so you can upload as well as download to these folders form that link, however so far I have only got that to work on the My Page Sub-Folder ??  The index pages were separated and converted and are now on the MediaFire site for the Crowd-Sourcing exercise. I do hope we get some worker bees to help with this, as we will all benefit. Single Index Pages for Transcription Single Index Pages Raw Text I then did the page 145 conversion of the raw text to clean text and then turned that into an EXCEL file and loaded into: My Page Sub-Folder so that anyone can see the process as an example. In this case I left the Map Square column as combined in the original instead of "X" and "Y" as in the earlier example.  There is a second version of that folder which is a "File Drop" where you can UPLOAD the pages that you have completed: My Page Sub-Folder You can drag & drop a file from your computer into that folder or click the "+" sign and pick the file or folder from your computer.  I did a second page (144) to see how it would work putting them together in an EXCEL spreadsheet. That is now here, works fine! Note there are three (3) coloured tabs at the bottom, so you can see it by ALPHABETIC, NUMERIC, or PAGE #. Master Excel Spreadsheet - Working Copy Edited 10 December , 2019 by laughton Updating as progressing ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 24 March , 2020 Share Posted 24 March , 2020 (edited) Sadly, no "Crowd-Sourcing" volunteers to date.  But now that I am more or less stuck here with my COVID-19 exterminator kit, I might as well plug away at these. I found the process can be simplified by eliminating the step of correcting the text in WORD before going to EXCEL. I did page 143 this morning and went right from the raw text (Single Index Pages Raw Text) to the excel version. You can either copy the raw text and paste it in Excel or open the raw text file with Excel. It takes about 30 minutes to clean up a page - BUT I can see they are not perfect as I noticed a number of references such as "B 14" might show up as "D 14", so proofreading will be necessary at some point.  Here is how the table appears, now that I found out how to use the SPOILER BUTTON (the little "eye"). This is page 143, 144 and 145.  Spoiler Name of Cemetery Page Map Square No. on Map Wimereux Communal Cemetery 2 E 3 2254 Villers -Guislain German Cemetery 53 H 18 1680 Vendegies Communal Cemetery 59 M 16 1653 Vendegies Cross Roads, British Cemetery, Bermerain 58 M 15 1654 Vendegies Cross-Roads German Cemetery 58 M 15 1869 Vendelles Communal Cemetery Extension 57 H 20 1655 Vendresse Communal Cemetery 60 - 2246 Verchain British Cemetery 12 J 4 1657 Vermand Communal Cemetery 57 H 20 1658 Vermelles British Cemetery 46 E 12 1659 Vermelles Communal Cemetery 46 E 12 1660 Verneuil Cemetery 60 - 2247 Verneuil Chateau Military Cemetery.. 60 - 2248 Vernon Street Cemetery (Squeak Forward Position) Carnoy 55 E 18 1661 Verquin Communal Cemetery 44 D 11 1662 Vertain Communal Cemetery Extension 59 M 15 1663 Vertigneul Churchyard, Romeries 59 M 16 1664 Vertus Communal Cemetery 30 K 9 2249 Vicogne Communal Cemetery 10 F 5 1956 Vicq Communal Cemetery 12 J 4 1957 Vieille Chapelle Churchyard 44 D 10 1665 Vieille Chapelle New Military Cemetery 44 D 10 1666 Vieille Chapelle Old Military Cemetery 44 B 10 1667 Viell Arcy British Cemetery 60 - 2250 Viesly Communal Cemetery, German Extension 59 L 16 1668 Vignacourt British Cemetery 10 F 5 2251 Vijverhoek Brasserie Cemetery 41 F 7 1788 Villa Wood Cemetery, Contalmaison 54 E 18 1670 Villeneuve St. George's Communal Cemetery 28 G 10 2252 Villereau Churchyard 12 J 4 1958 Villers Faucon Communal Cemetery 57 H 19 1677 Villers Faucon Communal Cemetery Extension 57 11 19 1678 Villers Hill Cemetery, Villers-Guislain 57 J 18 1681 Villers Pol Communal Cemetery Extension 58 N 14 1683 Villers Station Military Cemetery 46 D 13 1684 Villers-au-Bois French Military Cemetery 46 D 13 1671 Villers-Bocage Communal Cemetery 10 F 5 1672 Villers-Bocage Communal Cemetery Extension 10 F 5 1673 Villers-Bretonmieux Military Cemetery 21 G 6 361 Villers-Bretonneux Communal Cemetery 21 G 6 1674 Villers-Bretonneux Communal Cemetery Extension 21 G 6 1675 Villers-en-Cauchies Communal Cemetery 12 J 5 1676 Villers-Guislain Communal Cemetery 53 H 18 1679 Villers-Plouich Communal Cemetery 53 H 17 1682 Ville-sur-Ancre Communal Cemetery 54 D 19 1685 Vimy Canadian Cemetery No. 1 47 E 13 1687 Vimy Canadian Cemetery No. 2 47 E 13 1688 Vimy Communal Cemetery, Farbus 47 B 13 1689 Vis-en-Artois British Cemetery, Haucourt 49 G 15 1691 Vlamertinghe Military Cemetery 40 E 6 1692 Vlamertinghe New Military Cemetery 40 E 7 1693 Vogenle Communal Cemetery 13 L 4 2120 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 1 41 F 7 1694 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 2 41 F 7 1695 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 4 41 F 7 1697 Voormezele Enclosure No. 3 41 F 7 1696 Voyennes Churchyard Cemetery 21 H 6 1960 Voyennes Communal Cemetery 21 H 6 1959 Vraignes Communal Cemetery 56 H 20 1698 Vraucourt Copse British Cemetery, Vaulx-Vraucourt 51 F 16 1699 Vrély Communal Cemetery Extension 21 G 6 1700 Waggon Road (V. Corps Cemetery No. 10) Beaumont-Hamel 59 D 17 1701 Wailly Military Cemetery 48 E 15 1702 Wailly Orchard Cemetery 48 E 15 1703 Wallon-Cappel Churchyard 3 G 3 1961 Wambaix Communal Cemetery 11 J5 1962 Wancourt British Cemetery 49 F 15 1704 Wancourt Road British Cemetery, Neuville Vitasse 49 F 15 1705 Wanquetin Communal Cemetery 11 G 4 1707 Wanquetin Communal Cemetery Extension 11 G4 1708 Warcoing Communal Cemetery 4 J3 2121 Wargnies-le-Grand Churchyard 12 J4 1709 Wargnies-le-Petit Chateau 12 J4 1711 Wargnies-le-Petit Communal Cemetery 12 J4 1710 Warlincourt Halte British Cemetery, Saulty 11 G5 1712 Warloy-Baillon Communal Cemetery 11 G5 1713 Warloy-Baillon Communal Communal Cemetery Extension 11 G 5 1714 Warquignies Communal Cemetery 12 K4 2122 Warry Copse Cemetery, Courcelles-le-Comte 51 E 16 1715 Warvillers Churchyard Extension 21 G6 1716 Wassigny Communal Cemetery 12 J 5 1963 Waterloo Farm Cemetery, Passchendaele 41 G6 1718 Watou Churchyard 3 G2 1964 Watten Churchyard 3 F 3 2123 Wattrelos Communal Cemetery 4 H 3 1717 Wavans British Cemetery 10 F 5 2253 Wavrans Churchyard 10 F 3 2125 Wavre Communal Cemetery 5 M 3 2124 Wavrin Communal Cemetery 45 G10 1719 Wellington Cemetery, Ploegsteert 43 F 8 1720 Wellington Cemetery, Rieux 11 J5 1721 Welsh Cemetery, Caesar's Nose, Boesinghe 41 F 6 1722 Welsh Cemetery, Longueval 51 E 18 1723 West Cemetery, Richebourg St. Vaast 44 E 10 1725 West Yorkshires' Cemetery, Equancourt 52 G18 1739 Westhof Farm, Neuve Eglise 42 E 8 1726 Westoutre British Cemetery 40 E 7 1728 Westoutre Churchyard 40 E 7 1727 Westoutre Churchyard Extension 40 E7 1729 White Chateau British Cemetery Cachy 21 G6 - White City, Bois Grenier 43 F 9 1732 White House, Menin Road Ypres 41 F 7 1734 White House, St. Jean 41 F6 1735 Wieltje Farm Cemetery, St. Jean 41 F 6 1736 Wieltje Road Cemetery, Langemarck 41 F 6 1737 Wilde Wood Cemetery, Zonnebeke 41 F 6 1738 Willems Communal Cemetery 11 J3 1739 Willow British Cemetery, Boiry St. Rictrude 50 E 16 1740 Wiltshire Farm, Ridgewood, near Dickebusch 41 F 7 1741 Winchester Road Cemetery, Laventie 45 E 10 1742 Windmill British Cemetery Monchy-le-Preux 49 F 15 1743 Winnezeele Churchyard 3 G3 1965 Wizernes Churchyard 3 F 3 2126 Woburn Abbey, Cuinchy 44 E 11 1744 Wood British Cemetery, Wiencourt-Equipee 21 G6 1746 Woods Military Cemetery, Zillebeke 41 F 7 1747 Wormhoudt Communal Cemetery 3 G2 1966 Wulverghem Churchyard 43 F 8 1748 Wulverghem-Lindenhoek Road, Military Cemetery 43 F 8 1749 Wytschaete Cemetery 41 F 7 1750 X Farm, Chapelle d'Armentières 43 F 9 1751 Y Farm Military Cemetery, Touquet-des-Mages-Femmes, near Bois Grenier 43 F 10 1752 Y Ravine British Cemetery No. 1 (V Corps Cemetery No. 17), Beaumont-Hamel 50 B 17 1753 York British Cemetery, Haspres 12 J5 1756 Yorkshire Cemetery (Zouave Villa), St. Jean 41 F 6 1757 Ypres Reservoir Middle Cemetery 41 F 6 1759 Ypres Reservoir North Cemetery 41 F 7 1760 Ypres Reservoir South Cemetery 41 F 7 1761 YRavine German Cemetery No. 2, Beaumont-Hamel 50 D17 1755 Ytres Churchyard Cemetery 52 G 17 1764 Ytres German Cemetery 52 U 17 1765 Zelobes Indian Cemetery, Lacouture 44 D 10 1766 Zouave Valley British Cemetery, Souchez 46 E 13 1767 Zouave Villa Strong Post, Boesinghe 41 F 6 1768 Zudausques Churchyard 3 F 3 2127 Zuydcoote Military Cemetery 3 U 2 1769  The example above was the table that was in the original alphabetic list format. The purpose of this exercise was to make a table that can be "SEARCHED" as well as "SORTED". Here is the same table, first sorted numerically by the MAP NO and then by PAGE #. I could also add the version sorted on the MAP SQUARE.  Sorted numerically: Spoiler Name of Cemetery Page Map Square No. on Map Villers-Bretonmieux Military Cemetery 21 G 6 361 Vendegies Communal Cemetery 59 M 16 1653 Vendegies Cross Roads, British Cemetery, Bermerain 58 M 15 1654 Vendelles Communal Cemetery Extension 57 H 20 1655 Verchain British Cemetery 12 J 4 1657 Vermand Communal Cemetery 57 H 20 1658 Vermelles British Cemetery 46 E 12 1659 Vermelles Communal Cemetery 46 E 12 1660 Vernon Street Cemetery (Squeak Forward Position) Carnoy 55 E 18 1661 Verquin Communal Cemetery 44 D 11 1662 Vertain Communal Cemetery Extension 59 M 15 1663 Vertigneul Churchyard, Romeries 59 M 16 1664 Vieille Chapelle Churchyard 44 D 10 1665 Vieille Chapelle New Military Cemetery 44 D 10 1666 Vieille Chapelle Old Military Cemetery 44 B 10 1667 Viesly Communal Cemetery, German Extension 59 L 16 1668 Villa Wood Cemetery, Contalmaison 54 E 18 1670 Villers-au-Bois French Military Cemetery 46 D 13 1671 Villers-Bocage Communal Cemetery 10 F 5 1672 Villers-Bocage Communal Cemetery Extension 10 F 5 1673 Villers-Bretonneux Communal Cemetery 21 G 6 1674 Villers-Bretonneux Communal Cemetery Extension 21 G 6 1675 Villers-en-Cauchies Communal Cemetery 12 J 5 1676 Villers Faucon Communal Cemetery 57 H 19 1677 Villers Faucon Communal Cemetery Extension 57 11 19 1678 Villers-Guislain Communal Cemetery 53 H 18 1679 Villers -Guislain German Cemetery 53 H 18 1680 Villers Hill Cemetery, Villers-Guislain 57 J 18 1681 Villers-Plouich Communal Cemetery 53 H 17 1682 Villers Pol Communal Cemetery Extension 58 N 14 1683 Villers Station Military Cemetery 46 D 13 1684 Ville-sur-Ancre Communal Cemetery 54 D 19 1685 Vimy Canadian Cemetery No. 1 47 E 13 1687 Vimy Canadian Cemetery No. 2 47 E 13 1688 Vimy Communal Cemetery, Farbus 47 B 13 1689 Vis-en-Artois British Cemetery, Haucourt 49 G 15 1691 Vlamertinghe Military Cemetery 40 E 6 1692 Vlamertinghe New Military Cemetery 40 E 7 1693 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 1 41 F 7 1694 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 2 41 F 7 1695 Voormezele Enclosure No. 3 41 F 7 1696 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 4 41 F 7 1697 Vraignes Communal Cemetery 56 H 20 1698 Vraucourt Copse British Cemetery, Vaulx-Vraucourt 51 F 16 1699 Vrély Communal Cemetery Extension 21 G 6 1700 Waggon Road (V. Corps Cemetery No. 10) Beaumont-Hamel 59 D 17 1701 Wailly Military Cemetery 48 E 15 1702 Wailly Orchard Cemetery 48 E 15 1703 Wancourt British Cemetery 49 F 15 1704 Wancourt Road British Cemetery, Neuville Vitasse 49 F 15 1705 Wanquetin Communal Cemetery 11 G 4 1707 Wanquetin Communal Cemetery Extension 11 G4 1708 Wargnies-le-Grand Churchyard 12 J4 1709 Wargnies-le-Petit Communal Cemetery 12 J4 1710 Wargnies-le-Petit Chateau 12 J4 1711 Warlincourt Halte British Cemetery, Saulty 11 G5 1712 Warloy-Baillon Communal Cemetery 11 G5 1713 Warloy-Baillon Communal Communal Cemetery Extension 11 G 5 1714 Warry Copse Cemetery, Courcelles-le-Comte 51 E 16 1715 Warvillers Churchyard Extension 21 G6 1716 Wattrelos Communal Cemetery 4 H 3 1717 Waterloo Farm Cemetery, Passchendaele 41 G6 1718 Wavrin Communal Cemetery 45 G10 1719 Wellington Cemetery, Ploegsteert 43 F 8 1720 Wellington Cemetery, Rieux 11 J5 1721 Welsh Cemetery, Caesar's Nose, Boesinghe 41 F 6 1722 Welsh Cemetery, Longueval 51 E 18 1723 West Cemetery, Richebourg St. Vaast 44 E 10 1725 Westhof Farm, Neuve Eglise 42 E 8 1726 Westoutre Churchyard 40 E 7 1727 Westoutre British Cemetery 40 E 7 1728 Westoutre Churchyard Extension 40 E. 7 1729 White City, Bois Grenier 43 F 9 1732 White House, Menin Road Ypres 41 F 7 1734 White House, St. Jean 41 F6 1735 Wieltje Farm Cemetery, St. Jean 41 F 6 1736 Wieltje Road Cemetery, Langemarck 41 F 6 1737 Wilde Wood Cemetery, Zonnebeke 41 F 6 1738 West Yorkshires' Cemetery, Equancourt 52 G18 1739 Willems Communal Cemetery 11 J3 1739 Willow British Cemetery, Boiry St. Rictrude 50 E 16 1740 Wiltshire Farm, Ridgewood, near Dickebusch 41 F 7 1741 Winchester Road Cemetery, Laventie 45 E 10 1742 Windmill British Cemetery Monchy-le-Preux 49 F 15 1743 Woburn Abbey, Cuinchy 44 E 11 1744 Wood British Cemetery, Wiencourt-Equipee 21 G6 1746 Woods Military Cemetery, Zillebeke 41 F 7 1747 Wulverghem Churchyard 43 F 8 1748 Wulverghem-Lindenhoek Road, Military Cemetery 43 F 8 1749 Wytschaete Cemetery 41 F 7 1750 X Farm, Chapelle d'Armentières 43 F 9 1751 Y Farm Military Cemetery, Touquet-des-Mages-Femmes, near Bois Grenier 43 F 10 1752 Y Ravine British Cemetery No. 1 (V Corps Cemetery No. 17), Beaumont-Hamel 50 B 17 1753 YRavine German Cemetery No. 2, Beaumont-Hamel 50 D17 1755 York British Cemetery, Haspres 12 J5 1756 Yorkshire Cemetery (Zouave Villa), St. Jean 41 F 6 1757 Ypres Reservoir Middle Cemetery 41 F 6 1759 Ypres Reservoir North Cemetery 41 F 7 1760 Ypres Reservoir South Cemetery 41 F 7 1761 Ytres Churchyard Cemetery 52 G 17 1764 Ytres German Cemetery 52 U 17 1765 Zelobes Indian Cemetery, Lacouture 44 D 10 1766 Zouave Valley British Cemetery, Souchez 46 E 13 1767 Zouave Villa Strong Post, Boesinghe 41 F 6 1768 Zuydcoote Military Cemetery 3 U 2 1769 Vijverhoek Brasserie Cemetery 41 F 7 1788 Vendegies Cross-Roads German Cemetery 58 M 15 1869 Vicogne Communal Cemetery 10 F 5 1956 Vicq Communal Cemetery 12 J 4 1957 Villereau Churchyard 12 J 4 1958 Voyennes Communal Cemetery 21 H 6 1959 Voyennes Churchyard Cemetery 21 H 6 1960 Wallon-Cappel Churchyard 3 G 3 1961 Wambaix Communal Cemetery 11 J5 1962 Wassigny Communal Cemetery 12 J 5 1963 Watou Churchyard 3 G2 1964 Winnezeele Churchyard 3 G3 1965 Wormhoudt Communal Cemetery 3 G2 1966 Vogenle Communal Cemetery 13 L 4 2120 Warcoing Communal Cemetery 4 J3 2121 Warquignies Communal Cemetery 12 K4 2122 Watten Churchyard 3 F 3 2123 Wavre Communal Cemetery 5 M 3 2124 Wavrans Churchyard 10 F 3 2125 Wizernes Churchyard 3 F 3 2126 Zudausques Churchyard 3 F 3 2127 Vendresse Communal Cemetery 60 - 2246 Verneuil Cemetery 60 - 2247 Verneuil Chateau Military Cemetery.. 60 - 2248 Vertus Communal Cemetery 30 K 9 2249 Viell Arcy British Cemetery 60 - 2250 Vignacourt British Cemetery 10 F 5 2251 Villeneuve St. George's Communal Cemetery 28 G 10 2252 Wavans British Cemetery 10 F 5 2253  Wimereux Communal Cemetery 2 E 3 2254 White Chateau British Cemetery Cachy 21 G6 -  Sorted by page number: Spoiler Name of Cemetery Page Map Square No. on Map Wimereux Communal Cemetery 2 E 3 2254 Wallon-Cappel Churchyard 3 G 3 1961 Watou Churchyard 3 G2 1964 Winnezeele Churchyard 3 G3 1965 Wormhoudt Communal Cemetery 3 G2 1966 Watten Churchyard 3 F 3 2123 Wizernes Churchyard 3 F 3 2126 Zudausques Churchyard 3 F 3 2127 Zuydcoote Military Cemetery 3 U 2 1769 Wattrelos Communal Cemetery 4 H 3 1717 Warcoing Communal Cemetery 4 J3 2121 Wavre Communal Cemetery 5 M 3 2124 Wavrans Churchyard 10 F 3 2125 Wavans British Cemetery 10 F 5 2253 Vicogne Communal Cemetery 10 F 5 1956 Vignacourt British Cemetery 10 F 5 2251 Villers-Bocage Communal Cemetery 10 F 5 1672 Villers-Bocage Communal Cemetery Extension 10 F 5 1673 Wanquetin Communal Cemetery 11 G 4 1707 Wanquetin Communal Cemetery Extension 11 G4 1708 Warlincourt Halte British Cemetery, Saulty 11 G5 1712 Warloy-Baillon Communal Cemetery 11 G5 1713 Warloy-Baillon Communal Communal Cemetery Extension 11 G 5 1714 Wellington Cemetery, Rieux 11 J5 1721 Willems Communal Cemetery 11 J3 1739 Wambaix Communal Cemetery 11 J5 1962 Wargnies-le-Grand Churchyard 12 J4 1709 Wargnies-le-Petit Communal Cemetery 12 J4 1710 Wargnies-le-Petit Chateau 12 J4 1711 Wassigny Communal Cemetery 12 J 5 1963 Warquignies Communal Cemetery 12 K4 2122 York British Cemetery, Haspres 12 J5 1756 Verchain British Cemetery 12 J 4 1657 Vicq Communal Cemetery 12 J 4 1957 Villereau Churchyard 12 J 4 1958 Villers-en-Cauchies Communal Cemetery 12 J 5 1676 Vogenle Communal Cemetery 13 L 4 2120 Warvillers Churchyard Extension 21 G6 1716 Wood British Cemetery, Wiencourt-Equipee 21 G6 1746 White Chateau British Cemetery Cachy 21 G6 - Villers-Bretonneux Communal Cemetery 21 G 6 1674 Villers-Bretonneux Communal Cemetery Extension 21 G 6 1675 Villers-Bretonmieux Military Cemetery 21 G 6 361 Voyennes Churchyard Cemetery 21 H 6 1960 Voyennes Communal Cemetery 21 H 6 1959 Vrély Communal Cemetery Extension 21 G 6 1700 Villeneuve St. George's Communal Cemetery 28 G 10 2252 Vertus Communal Cemetery 30 K 9 2249 Westoutre Churchyard 40 E 7 1727 Westoutre British Cemetery 40 E 7 1728 Westoutre Churchyard Extension 40 E. 7 1729 Vlamertinghe Military Cemetery 40 E 6 1692 Vlamertinghe New Military Cemetery 40 E 7 1693 Waterloo Farm Cemetery, Passchendaele 41 G6 1718 Welsh Cemetery, Caesar's Nose, Boesinghe 41 F 6 1722 White House, Menin Road Ypres 41 F 7 1734 White House, St. Jean 41 F6 1735 Wieltje Farm Cemetery, St. Jean 41 F 6 1736 Wieltje Road Cemetery, Langemarck 41 F 6 1737 Wilde Wood Cemetery, Zonnebeke 41 F 6 1738 Wiltshire Farm, Ridgewood, near Dickebusch 41 F 7 1741 Woods Military Cemetery, Zillebeke 41 F 7 1747 Wytschaete Cemetery 41 F 7 1750 Yorkshire Cemetery (Zouave Villa), St. Jean 41 F 6 1757 Ypres Reservoir Middle Cemetery 41 F 6 1759 Ypres Reservoir North Cemetery 41 F 7 1760 Ypres Reservoir South Cemetery 41 F 7 1761 Zouave Villa Strong Post, Boesinghe 41 F 6 1768 Vijverhoek Brasserie Cemetery 41 F 7 1788 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 1 41 F 7 1694 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 2 41 F 7 1695 Voormezele Enclosure No. 3 41 F 7 1696 Voormezeele Enclosure No. 4 41 F 7 1697 Westhof Farm, Neuve Eglise 42 E 8 1726 Wellington Cemetery, Ploegsteert 43 F 8 1720 White City, Bois Grenier 43 F 9 1732 Wulverghem Churchyard 43 F 8 1748 Wulverghem-Lindenhoek Road, Military Cemetery 43 F 8 1749 X Farm, Chapelle d'Armentières 43 F 9 1751 Y Farm Military Cemetery, Touquet-des-Mages-Femmes, near Bois Grenier 43 F 10 1752 West Cemetery, Richebourg St. Vaast 44 E 10 1725 Woburn Abbey, Cuinchy 44 E 11 1744 Zelobes Indian Cemetery, Lacouture 44 D 10 1766 Verquin Communal Cemetery 44 D 11 1662 Vieille Chapelle Churchyard 44 D 10 1665 Vieille Chapelle New Military Cemetery 44 D 10 1666 Vieille Chapelle Old Military Cemetery 44 B 10 1667 Wavrin Communal Cemetery 45 G10 1719 Winchester Road Cemetery, Laventie 45 E 10 1742 Zouave Valley British Cemetery, Souchez 46 E 13 1767 Vermelles British Cemetery 46 E 12 1659 Vermelles Communal Cemetery 46 E 12 1660 Villers-au-Bois French Military Cemetery 46 D 13 1671 Villers Station Military Cemetery 46 D 13 1684 Vimy Canadian Cemetery No. 1 47 E 13 1687 Vimy Canadian Cemetery No. 2 47 E 13 1688 Vimy Communal Cemetery, Farbus 47 B 13 1689 Wailly Orchard Cemetery 48 E 15 1703 Wailly Military Cemetery 48 E 15 1702 Wancourt British Cemetery 49 F 15 1704 Wancourt Road British Cemetery, Neuville Vitasse 49 F 15 1705 Windmill British Cemetery Monchy-le-Preux 49 F 15 1743 Vis-en-Artois British Cemetery, Haucourt 49 G 15 1691 Willow British Cemetery, Boiry St. Rictrude 50 E 16 1740 Y Ravine British Cemetery No. 1 (V Corps Cemetery No. 17), Beaumont-Hamel 50 B 17 1753 YRavine German Cemetery No. 2, Beaumont-Hamel 50 D17 1755 Warry Copse Cemetery, Courcelles-le-Comte 51 E 16 1715 Welsh Cemetery, Longueval 51 E 18 1723 Vraucourt Copse British Cemetery, Vaulx-Vraucourt 51 F 16 1699 West Yorkshires' Cemetery, Equancourt 52 G18 1739 Ytres Churchyard Cemetery 52 G 17 1764 Ytres German Cemetery 52 U 17 1765 Villers-Guislain Communal Cemetery 53 H 18 1679 Villers -Guislain German Cemetery 53 H 18 1680 Villers-Plouich Communal Cemetery 53 H 17 1682 Villa Wood Cemetery, Contalmaison 54 E 18 1670 Ville-sur-Ancre Communal Cemetery 54 D 19 1685 Vernon Street Cemetery (Squeak Forward Position) Carnoy 55 E 18 1661 Vraignes Communal Cemetery 56 H 20 1698 Vendelles Communal Cemetery Extension 57 H 20 1655 Vermand Communal Cemetery 57 H 20 1658 Villers Faucon Communal Cemetery 57 H 19 1677 Villers Faucon Communal Cemetery Extension 57 11 19 1678 Villers Hill Cemetery, Villers-Guislain 57 J 18 1681 Vendegies Cross Roads, British Cemetery, Bermerain 58 M 15 1654 Vendegies Cross-Roads German Cemetery 58 M 15 1869 Villers Pol Communal Cemetery Extension 58 N 14 1683 Vendegies Communal Cemetery 59 M 16 1653 Vertain Communal Cemetery Extension 59 M 15 1663 Vertigneul Churchyard, Romeries 59 M 16 1664 Viesly Communal Cemetery, German Extension 59 L 16 1668 Waggon Road (V. Corps Cemetery No. 10) Beaumont-Hamel 59 D 17 1701 Vendresse Communal Cemetery 60 - 2246 Verneuil Cemetery 60 - 2247 Verneuil Chateau Military Cemetery.. 60 - 2248 Viell Arcy British Cemetery 60 - 2250  Edited 24 March , 2020 by laughton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 24 March , 2020 Share Posted 24 March , 2020 (edited) Hi Laughton, Â Sorry, I've just seen your OP for the first time. I'll have a look this evening to see if I can help. I don't have Paperport but have another OCR program, ABBYY FineReader that does the same job I would imagine, converting to Word or Excel. In my experience, converting an image to grey scale then increasing the contrast gives a far higher success rate. Â This is an example of the type of stuff I've done: Firstly the photo of the page (a scanned image is far better): Â Then the converted Excel spreadsheet: Â The complete opus can be downloaded from: https://dyfedjames99.wixsite.com/hanes-star/rhestr-etholwyr-absennol-1918 Edited 24 March , 2020 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 24 March , 2020 Share Posted 24 March , 2020 Thanks! To clarify, you do not need Paperport for this exercise, as I have already converted all the pages to text, so all that is left to do is to open them in Excel and tidy them up. Nuance Paperport is a unique program in that it combines a bunch of programs (utilities) into one package. A lot of printer companies on this side of the pond include it with the software package with the printer.  I am working backwards from the last page, so now working on page 142. If people want to participate, the best thing would be to say "I will do pages X to Y" and then we won't have duplication. Others can participate by being proof readers of the pages that have been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 24 March , 2020 Share Posted 24 March , 2020 Ok. I'll look later this evening and let you know. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 24 March , 2020 Share Posted 24 March , 2020 (edited) Hi laughton, Â Slight problem. Image 111.jpg covers Abancourt to Albert Road, but 111.txt is V Ravine to Zuydcote. Â I'll have a look at 112.txt. OK that tallieswith 112.jpg I'll do that one now. Edited 24 March , 2020 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 24 March , 2020 Share Posted 24 March , 2020 Image 111 fixed - I fired the guy that made that page There may be others, I did not check them all.  Once a page is done, use this folder to "drag and drop" your page. I will then take that and add it to the master. Let me know if any problems.  On 10/12/2019 at 11:13, laughton said: There is a second version of that folder which is a "File Drop" where you can UPLOAD the pages that you have completed: My Page Sub-Folder  Maybe some were scared away thinking there were 145 pages - when in fact it is only pages 111-145, so not that many.  Someone asked if I could add the trench map coordinates in a column for each cemetery - sure, can do, depends on how long the lockdown lasts!  Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 24 March , 2020 Share Posted 24 March , 2020 (edited) OK. 112, 113 & 114 done & uploaded. Â Edited 24 March , 2020 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 25 March , 2020 Share Posted 25 March , 2020 (edited) Fantastic!  I have added them to the MASTER: http://www.mediafire.com/file/w3dkjfek0cjzlaw/Master_Excel_Spreadsheet_-_Working_Copy.xlsx/file  Note that I inserted a new WORKSHEET called ORIGINAL and then kept the "Original Index" page on the sheets. We will need that for proofreading.  If anyone has their browser set to use programs such as GOOGLE DOCS to view online files, then they may see an image of the ORIGINAL when they click on the above link. In that case they need to then click on the file folder button in the upper right "OPEN ORIGINAL" (beside the PRINT button), which should then ask them where they want to save the file.  Anyone can also go into the other files that are listed in the main MediaFire folder here: http://www.mediafire.com/folder/h6pqp0btvv6b5/The_White_Cross_Touring_Atlas_of_the_Western_Battlefields  The spreadsheets are in this folder: http://www.mediafire.com/folder/g8rseymq4fsoc/Crowd-Sourcing_Project  Note: on the sheets I have done I am seeing a lot of "B-E" and "G-U" letters mixed up. I can understand the B & E but G & U? Almost every time those letters appear the transcription was incorrect. Example: Steenkirk Belgian Military Cemetery   3   U 2   1543 Tees Trench British Cemetery No. 1, St Laurent-Blangy 48 B 14 1576 So I will need to go back and check all the places where I see a B, P or a U, fortunately not as common as others. I have done that now (0800 hrs 27 March 2020) for the MASTER table but not the individual sheets I cannot guarantee that all such errors have been identified, so if anyone sees any others - please let me know! Once the process is complete, I should remove all the individual sheets that were not corrected, leaving only the MASTER  The progress table has now been moved further down the posting list to page 2.  Edited 30 March , 2020 by laughton added note in red; moved posting table to page 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 25 March , 2020 Share Posted 25 March , 2020 (edited) OK. Just uploaded 115, 116 , 117 , 118, 119 & 120.xls  Edited 25 March , 2020 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 26 March , 2020 Share Posted 26 March , 2020 Good, I'm just going to start through 121-125. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 27 March , 2020 Share Posted 27 March , 2020 I'll take 126-129 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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