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Hi

Has anyone got any details about this battalion in the March 1918 period?

Thanks

Andy

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Hello andy , I have found this about 3rd Battalion Coldstream guards I hope this helps you

regula6.gifGuards Division - This division was created in July 1915 by bringing together all the Guards regiments then in France and Flanders, including the newly formed Welsh Guards. The division's ancillary troops - Engineers, Medical Corps, Artillery, etc - were taken from their usual parent corps or regiments: the artillery came from the 11th (Northern) and 16th (Irish) Divisions, with the Engineers also coming from 16th Division. However, the exception was the brigade and divisional machine gun companies: rather than being MGC, these became units of the Guards Machine Gun Regiment. It formally became a division in August 1915, when all the units assembled at Lumbres, near St Omer.

The division's first action was the Battle of Loos in September-October 1915. In particular the Guards fought at Hill 70 and the Hohenzollern Redoubt: casualties during this period were 74 officers and 2,041 men. During the Battle of the Somme in 1916, the division fought at Guillemont and Ginchy during the Battle of Flers-Courcelette from 14th-22nd September, at the Battle of Morval 25th-28th September and in the Capture of LesBoeufs on 25th September.

The Guards Division spent the winter of 1916/17 holding the front line on the Somme, but did not fight at Arras in 1917. Instead they moved up to the Ypres Salient and took over the Canal Sector at Boesinghe. During Third Ypres they fought in the Battle of Pilckem Ridge from 31st July - 2nd August when they captured the German positions around Artillery Wood, and returned to Flanders for the Battle of Poelcapelle and Passchendaele in October 1917.

In November-December 1917 the division fought in the Battle of Cambrai, at Gonnelieu, Gouzaucourt and Gauche Wood losing 125 officers and 2,966 men. The winter of 1917/18 was spent on the Arras front around the river Scarpe. When the German Offensive broke on 21st March 1918, Guards division was in training at Arras. They moved up to the front between Boyelles and Henin, and later took up positions in defence of Ervillers. The division the withdrew through Moyenville to Ayette. By 31st March casualties had amounted to 59 officers and 1,080 men - light compared to some divisions.



I hope this is useful

best reguards



Ian



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Thanks Ian

Not too sure if the 3/Coldstreams were still with the Guards Div in early 1918.

'battlefields1418.50megs' mentions that......

3rd Battalion

4.8.14 Chelsea Barracks, as part of 4th (Guards) Brigade, 2nd Division. Landed at Havre 13.8.14. To 1st Guards Brigade, Guards Division on 20.8.15. to 4th Guards Brigade, 31st Division on 8.2.18. Posted to GHQ Reserve on 20.5.18. 11.11.18 located at Criel Plage, near Le Treport, France.

which leads me to think that the battalion might have left the Guards Div on 08/02/1918. I downloaded the Guards Div war diaries which also hint towards this..... any thoughts? They were definately in the Arras area as the man I am researching is one of 9 lost on 25th April 1918, all of whom have no known grave & appear on the Arras Memorial.

Andy

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Hello Andy sorry my mistate

http://www.1914-1918.net/31div.htm

they were in 31st division in the same area

I have only found 1 man killed on that date from SDGW

Coldstream Guards

Packer,Arthur,James ,Private 13112

Born - Belgravia,Middlesex, Enlisted - London, Residence - Bromley,Kent

Died - 25/04/1918, at home

Do you have their names so I can look them up

Cheers

Ian

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Andy, I did a search on men died on that date ,but I could only find one . there are a few who died on 14/04/1918.If you post their name that would help

Best reguards

Ian

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Andy, I did a search on men died on that date ,but I could only find one . there are a few who died on 14/04/1918.If you post their name that would help

Best reguards

Ian

Thanks Ian....

I meant 25/03/1918.... (too many dates whizzing about at the moment). The chap I am looking at is Pte Alfred Butcher... 21934, but also killed on the day were:

DRAPER WJ 10706, HOLMES JE 14745, JONES WR 20635, LLOYD WH 21596, MACQUEEN GWS 21539, PRICE J 19726, STEWARD AA , TURNER HR 12945

I have been through SDitGW without many clues, also the usual sources in Ancestry.com.. no luck.

All are on the Arras Mem, so lost with no known grave, presumably in the 'fog of war' during the spring offensive.

Cheers

Andy

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If anyone else happens upon this period for 3rd Battalion Coldtream Guards, I happened upon "The Distant Drum' by F E Noakes, who transfered into 3/Coldstreams on 18th March 1918 following the disbandment of his former unit, the Household Battalion...... very good book indeed!

Andy

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  • 2 months later...

Hello Andy details from SDGW

Coldstream Guards

Draper,William James,PTE 10706

Born - Walworth,Surrey

Enlisted - London

Residence - Loughborough Junction

KIA on 25/03/1918 in France & flanders

Coldstream Guards

Butcher,Alfred,PTE,21934.

Born - Rudgwick,Sussex

Enlisted - Horsham

residence - Rudgwick

KIA on 25/03/1918 in France & Flanders

best reguards

Ian

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Thanks Ian...

Best regards

Andy

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  • 3 years later...

I am just starting to research my Grandfather, Quincy Shaw Greene (3rd Bn Coldstream Guards) apparently killed by a sniper on 28 March 1918 and buried apparently near the Ayette Bapaume road in the Arras sector. He was an American who joined up in March 1915. His letters back home berated his countrymen for taking so long to get involved! Interestingly, Quincy and many other Coldstreamers feature in a book by C P Blacker called - Have you forgotten yet?

Nick

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being ex 4th Btn is certainly the book to read

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Do you have a pic of Greene ? I have one but cant post as IE is blocking my computer for some reason

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Greene

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Thank you so much Coldstreamer for posting the photo above. Is it possible to post me one that shows the other men in the photograph? I only have the name of Col J W Crichton so unfortunately I don't know the names of the other officers, who wrote to Quincy's widow (my grandmother who I never knew). I have recently received info on Quincy from the National Archives, but I can't say that it was very illuminating! Any information/pointers that you can provide would be appreciated.

Nick

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