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NIGEL

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Can any of you Navy men tell by this pic what kind of sailor my grandad was or anything about him by the pic-----i know its a long shot but if you dont ask------- !

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Hello Nigel

He is wearing square rig ( traditional 'sailor' uniform), thus indicating that he was a junior rating of either the seaman or stoker branches (senior rates and ancillary ratings wore single breasted jackets like modern POs/CPOs).

However, no trade, rank or good conduct badges visible; neither is he wearing a cap tally with name of ship/establishment, so can't offer any more.

You can easily get his ADM188 from the PRO(NA), since Navy records were not Blitzed, provided you know at least his name; his service number and/or approximate year of enlistment would also be of help. This would allow you to find out what he did in the RN and where and when he was serving.

Richard

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Thanks Richard--i know his name obviously and he joined the Navy as a Cadet aged 11 or 12 then joined the Army when the war started i dont know why but thanks for the info

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Nigel,

In addition to what Richard has mentioned, I have quite a few of these sailor pics, & it appears as if his rate badge is just barely visible on his right arm - only a bit of it, but from my experience I would guess his rate is one of two possibilities - either stoker (it could be the tip of the right propeller blade-stokers wore a 3 bladed propeller), or Seaman Gunner (the right "butt" of the gun-Seaman Gunners wore a cannon or large caliber ships gun)

Just an educated guess...........

Bryan

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He is wearing square rig ( traditional 'sailor' uniform), thus indicating that he was a junior rating of either the seaman or stoker branches (senior rates and ancillary ratings wore single breasted jackets like modern POs/CPOs).

This has been discussed before but I can't find it at the moment ;) but I'm pretty sure some Petty Officers wore square rig, seaman I think.

Roger.

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Hi Roger

Yes, I think seaman and stoker rates up to and including PO wore sqare rig until the 1930s(?). In old WW2 b/w films POs wear jackets and ties, so presume this was a pre-War change.

Richard

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Richard,

I'm pretty sure I've seen an illustration of a Petty officer Gunner wearing square rig during WW2.

It was in a magazine that came out in the seventies about WW2. It came out each week and went into a binder. I have all twelve volumes in the loft.

Not WW1 I know but might give a clue to who wore what rig.

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Concerning the dress of RN Petty Officers - in 1920 Petty Officers of all "seaman" branches were permitted to move into Class I uniform (suit jacket & tie) after attaining 4 yrs service as a Petty Officer. Shortly thereafterwards the time of service was reduced to 1 year. They wore the cap badge formerly worn by CPOs & the CPO cap badge was changed in '20 to a laurel wreath around the fouled anchor.

This information comes from "Badges & Insignia of the British Armed Forces" (1974), the Naval section being authored by Commander WE May.

I am not sure this is 100% accurate tho, as I have seen & have photos in my collection of Victorian POs wearing the Class I uniform.

You can easily tell a PO from a CPO as the POs are wearing good conduct badges (G.C.B's) on their left arms. CPOs do not wear G.C.B's.

Bryan

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