Dave_59 Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 This is from a service record...relating to a soldiers death. G.S.W. Arm, Hunerus. Amp. Does anybody know what this means? thanks dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmond7 Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 Grenade shrapnel wounds in arm and thigh - amputation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 GSW:~Gun shot wound Arm:~Arm Hunerus:~ actually Humerus:~ a bone in the arm{Funny Bone} Amp;~ Amputated This indicates your Soldier recieved a Gunshot wound in the arm,which probably shattered the humerus,leading to amputation,A very nasty wound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reed Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 My better half, Kieron, tells me it is Gun Shot Wound to the Arm, and is probably "Humerus" (sic) which is the elbow. The 'Amp' is amputation, which means it is probably a below the elbow amputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmond7 Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 (edited) What's the thigh bone then - sorry for being off target! Des Rats - is it the tibia? Edited 14 August , 2004 by Desmond7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 What's the thigh bone then - sorry for being off target! Des Rats - is it the tibia? Femur Fibia & Tibia are the lower leg bones~~~"Your foot bones connected to your ankle bone ,your ankle bones connected to your leg bones,your leg bones connected to your knee bone; your knee bones connected to your thigh bone,so hear the word of the Lord!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmond7 Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 (edited) Rassin dassin Dick Dastardley .... good job I wasn't a stretcher bearer!! OK - so what's the tibia and nobody DARE start the arm bone's connected to .... Edited 14 August , 2004 by Desmond7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGEL Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 It could mean he should have let someone else do the operation, unless it was blood loss. Thats a point did they have blood transfusions then ? if they didnt i bet a lot died from blood loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reed Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 It could mean he should have let someone else do the operation, unless it was blood loss. Thats a point did they have blood transfusions then ? if they didnt i bet a lot died from blood loss. Blood tranfusions began fairly early on in the conflict and became quite commonplace, but they did not have full understanding of blood groops at this time, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmond7 Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 Appreciate that this is about someone's death - just to show I am taking it seriously, I've called this up from my research. Frightening. Lance Corporal David Kerr Information has been received by Mr. David Kerr, Greenmount Terrace, Ballymena, informing him that his son, Lance Corporal David Kerr, Royal Irish Rifles, has been reported seriously wounded in the head and shoulder. He has also had his right arm amputated in hospital. B.O. Aug. 24, 1917 and on August 31 :- Nursing staff have informed the family that L/cpl. Kerr’s left arm has been amputated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 Blood transusions were available,but in their infancy,there was a thread on it,it made the Daily Papers @ the time[Daily Mirror 1916],probably more died as a result of Blood poisoning or Gas Gangrene,caused by impacted debris forced into the wound site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Hollington Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 The tibia is the rear of the two bones in the lower leg. Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 14 August , 2004 Share Posted 14 August , 2004 OK - so what's the tibia and nobody DARE start the arm bone's connected to ... SEE Above posting Fib & tib = Lower Leg Bones,ie shin bone & calf bone the lower arm bones are the radius & ulna:" Dem Bones,Dem bones; Dem Dry Bones!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_59 Posted 14 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 14 August , 2004 Well he died of the wounds...i would assume during the operation. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_59 Posted 14 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 14 August , 2004 On the subject...could someone look up the 15th Batt. AIF on 8/8/1916....if you have the war diary thanks dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pwt Posted 15 August , 2004 Share Posted 15 August , 2004 Following comments regarding blood transfusions I thought this may be of interest. In a recent visit to one of the local record offices I found a "Roll of honour scroll" which looks like the type of thing printed and distributed to Churches? or village notice boards? The idea seems to have been for someboy to hand write information about serving locals into the various columns, i.e. name, rank, unit, abode, (home address), address, (always maked France) with a comment column at the end. The bottom entry on the list is as follows: James Hardy, Pte., DLI, 3 East Street, France, SACRIFICED A QUANTITY OF BLOOD TO SAVE A COMRADE. If anybody is interested the scroll came from the village of Chopwell, Co. Durham, (now Tyne & Wear), Although it is not marked as such, I recognise the addresses. During the 1926 general strike the village became known as "Little Moscow" due to its total support of the strike. How things move on. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveDocDavies Posted 15 August , 2004 Share Posted 15 August , 2004 From the standpoint of the battlefield surgeon, Gun Shot Wound of the Humerus (upper arm bone - shoulder to elbow) is ugly business. Machine gun round striking the upper arm directly, or after richochet off kit inducing the round to tumble, can shatter the bone's shaft into numerus splinters. The closer this damage is to the shoulder joint, the larger the caliber of the artery involved, and the less arm material available to tourniquet. These days in the setting of rapid aero-medical evac through "collecting" to definitive forward surgery, the better results in limb salvage. In Flanders, however, the wounded might take considerable time to be retrieved from "no man's land" and enter the medical system. An upper arm wound with significant tissue damage and fracture would have been exposed to contamination for some hours. Delayed amputation (more than 48 hr from wounding) in these cases result in contaminated arm tissue remaining as infection source (fatal in the pre-antibiotic era). Even with quick entry into the system, limb salvage would be bleak should hemorrhage be stemmed with coincident impairment of circulation "downstream" at the hand. Doc D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_59 Posted 15 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 15 August , 2004 He died 4 days after reviecing the wound...do you think he died during the operation of afterwards, due to infection? dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philary Posted 15 August , 2004 Share Posted 15 August , 2004 Hello I have just read the CCS War Diary, where my Great Unlce was treated. (He received 2 blood transfusions, known from a letter received by the family from Surgical Specialist at CCS.) Both these transfusions were recorded in the war diary as were all blood transfusions. So my guess is that it was not common place to receive a transfusion. The war diary records that on 9th April 1918 "2 blood transfusions were given, direct, both cases being officers, one died, the other was much improved after the treatment." This was my great uncle, he had just had his right arm amputated for injuries and blood poisoning. His left leg was saved from death and amputation by great surgical skill, which had been developed through the war years. His left arm was also badly shattered! (His bivouac had received a direct hit from a shell!). The war diary goes on to record that on 13th April 1918, "a patient was given a blood transfusion, but died 6 hours later." This was my great uncle. From the letter the family received it appears that when a blood transfusion was needed, men gave blood and it was used immediately. The letter states that many queued to give blood to him. Hilary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 15 August , 2004 Share Posted 15 August , 2004 Dave, Have the 15th Battalion history. Am at work so will look it up when I get home. Regards Tim D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_59 Posted 16 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 16 August , 2004 Thanks pal. dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 16 August , 2004 Share Posted 16 August , 2004 Dave, Haven't been home since my last post. Will hopefully get back to you tonight. TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 18 August , 2004 Share Posted 18 August , 2004 Dave, In early August 1916 the 15th Battalion moved into the front line at Pozieres. On the 8th they made preparations for an attack on Circular Trench. They commenced the attack at 9.20pm with the 7th Suffolks on the left flank and the 16th Battalion in support. They took and held the trench before being forced to retire to their original positions the next day due to lack of support and German pressure. If you want me to send you a copy from the history let me know. There should also be a fairl detailed account on the AWM website in the official history. Regards Tim D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_59 Posted 18 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 18 August , 2004 I would be very grateful of more information. dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 18 August , 2004 Share Posted 18 August , 2004 Send me an e-mail with your address and I will post the relevant pages. In the meantime have a look at the official history which often contains just as much information as the battalion histories. The 15th Battalions attack is first mentioned in page 735. Regards Tim D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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