Seany Posted 3 September , 2012 Share Posted 3 September , 2012 ARSIERO 1/25000 H144.115 - can anyone locate it please? I'm frustrated with a lack of maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 3 September , 2012 Share Posted 3 September , 2012 You may know of this already, however in case not, Arsiero shows up on the maps here http://www.firstworldwar.com/maps/italianfront.htm try the Very Large version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteStarLine Posted 4 September , 2012 Share Posted 4 September , 2012 Michael, nice maps giving a view of the bigger picture. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 4 September , 2012 Author Share Posted 4 September , 2012 Thank you for the link but I really need a more precise position - I find the Italian map siuation frustrating and note a number of similiar threads on the forum have led others to the same opinion - for WF there are great resources especially the McMasters website but for Italy, no. but thank you anyway apart from venting my frustration it did help a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 September , 2012 Share Posted 5 September , 2012 An Italian map publisher Tabacco Editore produces modern 1:25,000 maps which are available from http://www.themapsho...italy/italy.htm see http://www.themapsho.../tabacco25k.jpg I would guess that your looking for somewhere maybe just on the bottom of sheet 050 or the right margin of 056 but check with The Map Shop first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 5 September , 2012 Author Share Posted 5 September , 2012 Thanks I'll check it out but really want something like the good quality WF trench maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 September , 2012 Share Posted 5 September , 2012 really want something like the good quality WF trench maps If 'Italy' is anything like 'Gallipoli', then you only come across these things by accident in the WDs Good hunting Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 6 September , 2012 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2012 They appear to be pretty rare and therefore being able to identify a precise position for a battery is very difficult - but if it was too easy where would be the fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Wilcock Posted 6 September , 2012 Share Posted 6 September , 2012 Our untutored tour of some Italian war areas early last summer suggests there are some local tourist guides, in English, though it seems that the booklet planned for the Piave area is not yet published. We also found that some work is being done by local historians, for instance trying to discover personal details of men burried in local military cemeteries. It is worth contacting the local library by e-mail to see if anyone is working on your area. The commune of Arsiero has a good website (in Italian) which includes a map. http://www.comune.arsiero.vi.it Assuming the first part of your reference is the scale of the map? Entering the subsequent reference H144.115 on this map, appears to reference a point in another town Bassano del Grappa - Monte Grappa is a famous Italian battle. But it isnt clear to us what your reference relates to so may be this is a freak of Google? You may find it interesting to browse the First World War sites already linked to the website of Arsiero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 9 September , 2012 Author Share Posted 9 September , 2012 Thank you - I'll check it out - certainly the battery were in action on the Piave and around the general vicinity of the Grappa but had moved to the Asiago plateau by the time they were cited at this reference - my gripe is the lack of decent maps from 1918 Italy for the British part. Buth thank yoiu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdoc Posted 9 September , 2012 Share Posted 9 September , 2012 Don't forget that artillery units were often detached from their nominal colleagues. It wasn't uncommon for batteries to stay in place while the infantry withdrew for a rest and to work with the relieving infantry, sometimes even staying in line until their own people returned. In this case, it could be that their 'home' division had moved to the Plateau but that they had to stay in line in the Grappa area until their replacements arrived, especially if the new artillery positions were different and needed to be constructed. Some of the military engineering I saw earlier this year on the Plateau was extensive and would have been quite major undertakings, needing a lot of time and effort, since much of it had to be blasted out of the limestone bedrock. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 12 September , 2012 Share Posted 12 September , 2012 They appear to be pretty rare The 'Allied' sectors of the Italian front were actually quite intensively 'trench-mapped' (especially by the French - many British trenchmaps of Italy are actually on French maps (hence the 1:25,000 scaling for example). To be honest, they're only slightly rarer than Western front trenchmaps of the same era and , fortunately in my case, appear to be less collectable (though not many have been published online or in digital format). Saying that though, unfortunately, I miss the required sector by a matter of a few hundred yards in my own collection, though I do have much of the 'H' section covered. Dave (PS. there is at least one trench map of Italy on the McMasters website, by the way, but this one is just outside of the area required also (it's also been totally misfiled on McMasters as being under sheet 37 (Tournai, etc) ... dating from June 1918, it is 'Sheet 37 & 38 (parts of)', but is part of the Sheet 37 map for Italy, not France (and is entitled 'Sartori' anyway... geography not a hot subject at McMasters? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 13 September , 2012 Author Share Posted 13 September , 2012 thanks Dave I have the cd of maps from you and they are useful I'll check out that hint about McMasters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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