john w. Posted 3 September , 2004 Share Posted 3 September , 2004 I have just acquired some papers in a sale which tell of the above's death by a sniper... Unknown theatre, but the letter writer was in the 4th Company, 1st Batt Otago, 2nd Brigade, hence the assumption that Jack Muir was a New Zealander. Another name was Sam Rowe who was in the 8th coy, 2nd OJB? or DJB from what I can read.. Any help? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyjames Posted 4 September , 2004 Share Posted 4 September , 2004 John I wonder if this chap could be 42547, Pte John Muirhead, 4 Coy, 1st Bn Otago Regt, NZEF, who died on 12 December 1917 and is buried in Tyne Cot Cemetery. CWGC give address of NOK at 635 Castle Street, Dunedin. Regards Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john w. Posted 4 September , 2004 Author Share Posted 4 September , 2004 All I have is that name.. what might be the next step if I could make the next step... ?? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 5 September , 2004 Share Posted 5 September , 2004 more likely to be Surname MUIR Given Name Jack Munden Category Nominal Rolls Vol 4 Regimental Number 75493 Rank Trooper Next of Kin Title Mrs N Next of Kin Surname MUIR Next of Kin Relationship Mother Next of Kin Address 778 George Street Dunedin Roll Roll 91 Page Page 7 Occupation Engineer or Surname MUIR Given Name John Category Nominal Roll Vol. 3 Regimental Number 53235 Rank Private Next of Kin Title William Next of Kin Surname MUIR Next of Kin Relationship Brother Next of Kin Address Edendale Southland Roll Roll 67 Page Page 21 Occupation Carpenter or Surname MUIR Given Name John Mitchell Category Nominal Roll Vol. 3 Regimental Number 50098 Rank Trooper Next of Kin Title Mrs H M A Next of Kin Surname MUIR Next of Kin Relationship Wife Next of Kin Address 778 George Street Dunedin Roll Roll 74 Page Page 4 Occupation Hairdresser or several other John Muirs But I don't know whether any of these died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 5 September , 2004 Share Posted 5 September , 2004 Who is the letter writer? I have just found a John Muir who died, and a Sam Rowe, who both came from Pleasant Point, South Canterbury Surname ROWE Given Name Samuel Category Nominal Roll Vol. 3 Regimental Number 46531 Rank Rifleman Next of Kin Title P Next of Kin Surname ROWE Next of Kin Relationship Father Next of Kin Address Pleasant Point South Canterbury Roll Roll 62 Page Page 30 Occupation Farmer MUIR, JOHN Initials: J Nationality: New Zealand Rank: Private Regiment: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. Unit Text: 3rd Bn. Age: 21 Date of Death: 04/10/1917 Service No: 44981 Additional information: Son of John and Ellen Muir, of Pleasant Point, South Canterbury, New Zealand. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: XXVIII. H. 10. Cemetery: TYNE COT CEMETERY Surname MUIR Given Name John Category Nominal Roll Vol. 3 Regimental Number 44981 Rank Private Next of Kin Title Mrs E Next of Kin Surname MUIR Next of Kin Relationship Mother Next of Kin Address Totara Valley Pleasant Point South Canterbury Roll Roll 60 Page Page 5 Occupation Farm Labourer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dunlop Posted 5 September , 2004 Share Posted 5 September , 2004 The 4th October corresponds to the successful contribution of the New Zealanders to the Battle of Broodseinde. The attack across a broad front caught the Germans attempting to form up for an attack of their own. The New Zealand Division captured 1159 prisoners, approximately 20% of the total number of Germans captured that day. The 3rd Canterbury Regiment (4th Brigade) participated on the right of the New Zealand front. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Dave Posted 5 September , 2004 Share Posted 5 September , 2004 Regards to the strange Coy numbering In NZ, the 18 Territorial Regiments supplied companys to the Bns overseas. Hence the four Otago Battalions in France were as follows. 2nd Bde: 1st and 2nd Bns, Otago Regiment. 3rd Bde: 3rd Bn Otago Regiment 4th Bde: 4th Bn Otago Regiment Each Battalion had four rifle coys that were as mentioned, supplied from four Territorial Regiments. Hence each Bn numbering went. 1st Coy (4th (Otago Rifles) Regiment) 2nd Coy (8th (Southland Rifles) Regiment) 3rd Coy (10th (North Otago Rifles) Regiment) 4th Coy (14th (South Otago Rifles) Regiment.) Technicaly speaking, each Territorial Regiment could have fielded a Battalion, but as the war progressed, men were not neccesarily placed in units based on provincial affiliation. The NZ Infantry formed 3, and for a short period, 4 Brigades when they deployed to the Western Front after being committed in Gallipoli. The theatre was, as mentioned, France. Otago incidently, is basicaly the lower half of the South Island of NZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john w. Posted 6 September , 2004 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2004 Christina The letter was written March 10th 1918...addressed to a Frank and signed Dave... The names were mentioned in this letter, along with a Bill Hamilton, serg. in the 8th Coy 1st Batt. They also say that Bunny Davidson has been a nuaghty boy, he caught VD! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 7 September , 2004 Share Posted 7 September , 2004 In order to identify them, I would have to look at the actual Nominal Rolls, which give the regiments, but I won't be able to do this for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john w. Posted 7 September , 2004 Author Share Posted 7 September , 2004 No rush Chistina I have nothing except for these letters and names... All help greatfully received John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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