David Ridgus Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Apologies for putting up another when Dai's artillery an is unsolved but I think we can cope with a couple on the go and mine is a date specific WWAW. In Charles Carrington's 'Soldier from the wars returning' there is a brilliant chapter called 'We and they' which portrays the British Army from top to bottom; from 'Old Bill' to Haig. In the section on the despised Staff, he comments that the front line soldier's hatred for the staff is hardly a new phenomenon. To support this he quotes the following: 'But I remember when the fight was done, When I was dry with rage and extreme toil, Breathless and faint, leaning upon my sword, Came there a certain Lord, neat, trimly dressed ...and still he smiled and talked; And, as the soldiers bore dead bodies by, He called them untaught knaves...' The man from GHQ may have been 'perfumed like a milliner' but who is speaking about him and where and when? A WWAW four hundred years in the making! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Probably not a complete answer, but it's Hotspur speaking to Henry iv at the palace in London. This of course comes on the 400th anniversary of the Bard's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Is it Aircraftsman Shaw again, in disguise? Ron No not Shaw, or his batman, gardener chauffeur or anything to do with TEL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Probably not a complete answer, but it's Hotspur speaking to Henry iv at the palace in London. This of course comes on the 400th anniversary of the Bard's death. Hotspur it is. You are right of course that he was speaking to Henry in London but I was thinking of the battle itself which was Holmedon Hill, 14th September 1402. However to steer a course into less Mod irritating channels, but still appropriate to today's celebrations, who are this father and son. 'O proud death, What feast is toward in thine eternal cell, That thou so many princes at a shot So bloodily hast, struck?' David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghazala Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 No not Shaw, or his batman, gardener chauffeur or anything to do with TEL. What a pity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghazala Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Here's one: Came to a sticky end at Nuremburg in 1946 - Alfred Jodl - Pictured in WW1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Hotspur it is. You are right of course that he was speaking to Henry in London but I was thinking of the battle itself which was Holmedon Hill, 14th September 1402. However to steer a course into less Mod irritating channels, but still appropriate to today's celebrations, who are this father and son. wit 26.jpg wit 27.jpg 'O proud death, What feast is toward in thine eternal cell, That thou so many princes at a shot So bloodily hast, struck?' David I hope I`ve been going down the right road with this one today, but if I have, then I can`t seem to get past father and son, Maurice and John Barrymore, and I know it`s not them. I just can`t quite place the Shakespeare this time either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 I hope I`ve been going down the right road with this one today, but if I have, then I can`t seem to get past father and son, Maurice and John Barrymore, and I know it`s not them. I just can`t quite place the Shakespeare this time either. Not the Barrymores NF. The father was knighted on stage during the Tercentary celebrations, muted though they were in 1916. David PS The quote is from Hamlet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Came to a sticky end at Nuremburg in 1946 - Alfred Jodl - Pictured in WW1. Correct Ghazala. Your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 That gave it away David, It is (Sir) Frank Benson d 31/12/1939 and son Lt Col Eric Benson kia 15/9/16 , commemorated at Thiepval. Benson was a cousin of Basil Rathbone,which set me off in that direction as they have a similar look John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Not the Barrymores NF. The father was knighted on stage during the Tercentary celebrations, muted though they were in 1916. David PS The quote is from Hamlet That helped! It`s Sir Francis Robert Benson, and his son Eric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Any ideas on this chap??? Himself, an author, he has also been the subject of film, book and play. Well known for his eccentricity, he founded a movement of more than a quarter of a million members. Fully hands on in both wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 That gave it away David, It is (Sir) Frank Benson d 31/12/1939 and son Lt Col Eric Benson kia 15/9/16 , commemorated at Thiepval. Benson was a cousin of Basil Rathbone,which set me off in that direction as they have a similar look John That helped! It`s Sir Francis Robert Benson, and his son Eric. Correct Gentlemen Benson was in Stratford at the outset of the war and helped recruitment drives in the area. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghazala Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Died 97 years ago. Good friend of ??? (No, not TEL!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Died 97 years ago. Good friend of ??? (No, not TEL!). Ah Eddie, the spirit of Phoebus is reborn. Your clue is that the man in question had a friend! David PS For those of you relatively new to the thread Phoebus was notorious for arcane clues that actually made it more difficult to discover the person's identity. The high point came when he offered the helpful tip that the picture 'was in the Library of Congress.' It was pointed out that so were a quarter of million others. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Just checking does ??? Refers to Lt Gen Herbert Watts I nominate Geoffrey Robert Youngman Thurlow John PS Sorry NF haven't worked out your candidate yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 Died 97 years ago. Good friend of ??? (No, not TEL!). Ah Eddie, the spirit of Phoebus is reborn. Your clue is that the man in question had a friend! David PS For those of you relatively new to the thread Phoebus was notorious for arcane clues that actually made it more difficult to discover the person's identity. The high point came when he offered the helpful tip that the picture 'was in the Library of Congress.' It was pointed out that so were a quarter of million others. I nominate Geoffrey Robert Youngman Thurlow Given that it is indeed Lieutenant Youngman, but that he died on the 23rd April 1917 (ie precisely 99 years ago yesterday) one could say the spirit of the unhelpful clue is alive and kicking... http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/777525/THURLOW,%20GEOFFREY%20ROBERT%20YOUNGMAN Name: THURLOW, GEOFFREY ROBERT YOUNGMAN Rank: Lieutenant Date of Death: 23/04/1917 Age: 22 Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment), "C" Coy. 13th Bn. attd. 10th Bn. Panel Reference: Bay 7. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL Additional Information: Son of Robert Youngman Thurlow and Clara Thurlow, of "Eversley," Buckhurst Hill, Essex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghazala Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 Excellent - Geoffrey Thurlow, friend of Vera Brittain whom she speaks of in tender tones in Testament of Youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghazala Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 And yes, it was 99 years ago. Dyslexia is creeping into my typeface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 More hints for #4515: Himself, an author, he has also been the subject of film, book and play. Well known for his eccentricity, he founded a movement of more than a quarter of a million members. Fully hands on in both wars. A most energetic Christian, and referred to by Sports Illustrated as the best amateur boxer ever. Disney was involved in the film about him. Ordered his men to kill him. Remarkably; his high profile son also served in both world wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 More hints for #4515: Himself, an author, he has also been the subject of film, book and play. Well known for his eccentricity, he founded a movement of more than a quarter of a million members. Fully hands on in both wars. A most energetic Christian, and referred to by Sports Illustrated as the best amateur boxer ever. Disney was involved in the film about him. Ordered his men to kill him. Remarkably; his high profile son also served in both world wars. Anthony Joseph Drexel Biddle, Sr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 How about this chap, a lover of ??? Ah, this takes me back to the Wigwhammer days, sadly long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 Anthony Joseph Drexel Biddle, Sr? Got him, Uncle George, well done! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Joseph_Drexel_Biddle,_Sr. An extraordinary fellow. Unarmed combat is not a much discussed aspect of the war, but is a particular interest of mine, so for me, this guy rocks, as they say. A more well known picture of him below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 On 24/04/2016 at 21:05, neverforget said: Unarmed combat is not a much discussed aspect of the war, but is a particular interest of mine I imagine you saw this thread NF, but in case you missed it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 24 April , 2016 Share Posted 24 April , 2016 Would the gentleman in post #4525, a friend of ??? be a certain Capt. Victor Owen Robinson MC ? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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