Knotty Posted 23 July , 2016 Share Posted 23 July , 2016 UG Just checked out the IMDb site for characters in both films and Sgt Quincannon features in both. In Ft. Ap. he is also referring to his favourite tipple on a couple of occasions. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 14 hours ago, Uncle George said: WSC, Ll.G and Hankey. Baldwin: "Ll.G was born a cad and never forgot it; Winston was born a gentleman and never remembered it". "The myth of 'David and Winston' represents how we would like our politicians to behave - and allows us to comfort ourselves in our present discontents by contrasting the idealized image of these two iconic statesmen with the seemingly reprehensible activities of their modern day successors. Yet it does not help us to understand either the past or the present. 'Statesmen are for history,' Joseph Chamberlain once remarked, 'let us be content with politicians' ". Richard Toye, 'Rivals for Greatness' (2007). Not 'Fort Apache', but you're very close: 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon', the best film ever made. The best film ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 Looks like Sgt. Q was going to be a returning character in Fords films, the films we mention are just a year apart, alas he doesn't appear elsewhere. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 Victor McLaglen has appeared here on WiT - he had a distinguished GW career. He appears as Sgt Quincannon in 'SWaYR' and in 'Rio Grande'. He plays a cavalry sergeant in 'Fort Apache', but in that film his character goes by another name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 Hi UG It was Dick Foran who played Sgt Quincannon in Fort Apache, so I was incorrect in not spotting him in Rio Grande, so this character was a constant in John Ford films. Had to read up on VM, as you say a distinguished GW career. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hone Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 (edited) The continuity of the Ford 'Cavalry Trilogy' is a bit complicated. John Wayne appears as the same character ( Kirby York or Yorke) in 'Fort Apache' and 'Rio Grande'. However he plays Nathan Brittles in 'She Wore...' Victor McLaglen portrays Sergeant Quincannon in 'She Wore...' and 'Rio Grande' and a (to all intents and purposes) identical Irish sergeant in 'Fort Apache' who dies in the climactic massacre. Without looking at the film I can't recall if the Quincannon character played by Dick Foran survives 'Fort Apache'. I'll get me cape... Edited 28 August , 2016 by Mark Hone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 UG & Mark I bow to your superior knowledge of the "western" genre particularly those of John Ford, my hats off to you both John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 Blimey WIT is turning into IMDB! All interesting stuff though. I sm sure you will recall that when Orson Welles was asked who his three favourite directors were he replied, "John Ford, John Ford and John Ford". Meanwhile back at Fort Waiwa, who is being described here? "He had become a figure of fun , the very image of a brass hat as represented by the caricaturists, with features, voice and manner, all in character but nevertheless could not be sacked like an office boy. He was moved to a quiet part of the line and allowed to go on commanding a corps on a front where nothing ever happened. The only time I met him, after the battle, I thought him not quite sane, but I dare say I was not a very good judge." David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 That is a reference to Hunter-Bunter, also known as Lieutenant-General Sir Aylmer Gould Hunter-Weston KCB DSO GStJ, there was a thread started today on the very fellow. With the recent commemoration of the start of the Somme battle, it is worth noting that it was through his insistence that the Hawthorn Redoubt mine was detonated 10 minutes before zero. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 On the assumption that John is right, let us return to the Cavalry Trilogy and identify this dashing young officer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 24 July , 2016 Share Posted 24 July , 2016 6 minutes ago, Knotty said: That is a reference to Hunter-Bunter, also known as Lieutenant-General Sir Aylmer Gould Hunter-Weston KCB DSO GStJ, there was a thread started today on the very fellow. With the recent commemoration of the start of the Somme battle, it is worth noting that it was through his insistence that the Hawthorn Redoubt mine was detonated 10 minutes before zero. John Quite right as ever John. I missed the new thread but will search it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdr Posted 25 July , 2016 Share Posted 25 July , 2016 re 5288 is that Merian C Cooper,? the man who brought us King Kong and who was producer of Fort Apache. Polish Air force in the 1920's ? Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 25 July , 2016 Share Posted 25 July , 2016 (edited) That was a sneaky one UG, kept me up the early hours, took an age to id that it was a Polish Air Force uniform, but couldn't get the trilogy connection at first at first, bit more searching came up with a friend of John Ford who formed the Argosy company that produced the films mentioned previously, a certain Merian C Cooper, With a distinguished GW flying record that after the Armistice led to him being a founder of the Kosciuszko Squadron in the Polish-Soviet war were he was shot down and made PoW released in 1921. There followed a varied successful career in journalism,explorer,aviator and cinematographer, the last two combining for him to produce and direct the famous film King Kong. What a man and career John yours cdr Edited 25 July , 2016 by Knotty Post above just beat me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 25 July , 2016 Share Posted 25 July , 2016 1 hour ago, cdr said: re 5288 is that Merian C Cooper,? the man who brought us King Kong and who was producer of Fort Apache. Polish Air force in the 1920's ? Carl Yes indeed Carl: the producer of 'Fort Apache'. He was a bomber pilot during the GW with the US Army Air Service, and volunteered for Kościuszko's Escadrille during the Polish-Soviet War. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merian_C._Cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug504 Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 Came across this photograph on Pintrest. Durham Light Infantry officer I believe, military cross ribbon, can anyone put a name to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 I don't think anyone can - isn't that one of the recently-colourised Lost Tommies pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 It is indeed seaJane John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 He bears a passing resemblance to the officer stood in front of the man circled in this picture of the 13th DLI taken in March 1915 perhaps? The original photo is in the Durham County Archives. And while we are on the subject, who is the man circled? I expect you to get this one in nanoseconds. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 Hey, I don't do Army! Make that nano-centuries ... It can't be John Kipling because he was Irish Guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 2 minutes ago, seaJane said: Hey, I don't do Army! Make that nano-centuries ... The arts, that's all I'm saying. Do you think the man in front bears a resemblance to Doug's rather characterful colourised photo? I'm sure I've read (almost certainly in this thread) that you can compare ears, unfortunately the resolution is too low to test out this theory. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 There is a resemblance I agree, although the man in question is sitting and I was looking for someone standing ... Let's try George Butterworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 I just knew you would know.......... Hopefully if the man in front is Doug's chap it may aid identification. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 I hasten to add that I had to look his picture up, and he wasn't the first one I tried! I hope John Conolly won't mind if I post this. It's available set to music on his CD Ranter's Wharf. http://www.chanteycabin.co.uk/John Connolly/Connolly.htm OLD MEN SING LOVE SONGS John ConollyOh the summer was golden with music and mirthTill the black cloud of battle rolled over the earthFor God and for country oh hear the bands playAnd the flower of England is sailing away.Chorus When the banks of green willow are wasted in war When the songs are unspoken and the larks rise no more Still somewhere in time, love, there's a bright summer's day Where old men sing love songs so far far away.Some say God is love and some say God is deadSome say God's a dreamer in an old poets' headBut God's in some garden, some garden so green And pulling fine flowers, so fair to be seen.Now the maypole is fallen and the dancers lie downAnd the lark in ascension is brought to the groundOn the 5th day of August, not a cloud in the skyBut the summer is over and the long winter's nigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 1 hour ago, Fattyowls said: The arts, that's all I'm saying. Do you think the man in front bears a resemblance to Doug's rather characterful colourised photo? I'm sure I've read (almost certainly in this thread) that you can compare ears, unfortunately the resolution is too low to test out this theory. Pete. It was right at the start of WIT Pete. Mr Drill tried to use the shape of the ear to identify Centurion's original picture whose identity eludes us still David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 26 July , 2016 Share Posted 26 July , 2016 I know the thought is often inspired by the wish and all that, but I think you may have a fair shout here. Although we cannot see the ear the tilt of the nose and the line of the mouth look pretty good to me. I think we need Martin G back on the thread to do another of his miracle spots David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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