Ron Clifton Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 "The safety, honour and welfare of your country come first, always and every time. The honour, welfare and comfort of the men you command come next. Your own ease, comfort and safety come last, always and every time." Strange that, as a cavalryman, he didn't put The welfare and comfort of the horses you command come next, before the men. Ron On 31/03/2017 at 17:26, Uncle George said: #5828 He's a very well known German philosopher: his friend and collaborator is a famous resident of Highgate Cemetery. The other author of the Communist Manifesto - Friedrich Engels. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 Ron- there are some references that he did do just that 1) That in the Gaza battles of 1917-particularly the capture of Jerusalem by turning the Turkish defensive positions, his zeal and flair in cavalry handling was tempered by undue(some think) caution- due to wanting to make sure his cavalry horses had adequate water. And as C in C India, he was forward thinking,save a tad slow on taking to tanks -perhaps the traditional fault of the cavalryman in the inter-war years- as has been said by others, they could not get used to anything that you could not put hay in at one end and get s**t at the other. Give it a few minutes an I will put you out of your misery re St.Pancras and gold for the Nazis. Now that you have identified Field Marshal Lord Chetwode, then the St.Pancras should be easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 2 hours ago, Uncle George said: Has no-one recognised this chap from #5828? Sorry mon oncle; I was distracted by the facial fungus. I kept thinking that he was half way though eating a small yappy dog or was a member of ZZ Top. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 27 minutes ago, Fattyowls said: Sorry mon oncle; I was distracted by the facial fungus. I kept thinking that he was half way though eating a small yappy dog or was a member of ZZ Top. Pete. Yes, the whiskers ruled out that it was King Gilette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 Friedrich Engels it is. The theme (it seems a long time ago now!) was predictions of the War. Here's FE on 'the next war', written in 1887: " ... world war of never before seen intensity, if the system of mutual outbidding in armament, carried to the extreme, finally bears its natural fruits ... eight to ten million soldiers will slaughter each other and strip Europe bare as no swarm of locusts has ever done before. The devastations of the Third Years War condensed into three or four years and spread all over the continent: famine, epidemics, general barbarization of armies and masses, provoked by sheer desperation; utter chaos in our trade, industry and commerce, ending in general bankruptcy; collapse of the old states and their traditional wisdom in such a way that the crowns will roll in the gutter by the dozens and there will be nobody to pick them up; absolute impossibility to foresee how all this will end and who will be victors in that struggle; only one result was absolutely certain: general exhaustion and the creation of circumstances for the final victory of the working class." You will see that, as with his old chum, his analysis was not wholly accurate ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 4 hours ago, Uncle George said: I read somewhere that the last English King/Queen of England was Edward the Confessor! (Harold II being Danish, apparently). I suppose if you want to be really picky it is Edmund Ironside who was the last fully English King. If you are disallowing Harold II as having a Danish mother then the Confessor's French mother rules him out as well. Edmund's parents were the impeccably Anglo Saxon pairing of Aethelred the Unready and Aelfgifu of York. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 47 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Friedrich Engels it is. The theme (it seems a long time ago now!) was predictions of the War. Here's FE on 'the next war', written in 1887: " ... world war of never before seen intensity, if the system of mutual outbidding in armament, carried to the extreme, finally bears its natural fruits ... eight to ten million soldiers will slaughter each other and strip Europe bare as no swarm of locusts has ever done before. The devastations of the Third Years War condensed into three or four years and spread all over the continent: famine, epidemics, general barbarization of armies and masses, provoked by sheer desperation; utter chaos in our trade, industry and commerce, ending in general bankruptcy; collapse of the old states and their traditional wisdom in such a way that the crowns will roll in the gutter by the dozens and there will be nobody to pick them up; absolute impossibility to foresee how all this will end and who will be victors in that struggle; only one result was absolutely certain: general exhaustion and the creation of circumstances for the final victory of the working class." You will see that, as with his old chum, his analysis was not wholly accurate ... Yeh but apart from the closing phrase, pretty much bang on I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 anybody recognise this illustrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 JC VC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 14 minutes ago, johnboy said: JC VC Afraid not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 Cookham?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 Now that you have identified Field Marshal Lord Chetwode, then the St.Pancras should be easy Ker-tinggg - Miss Lord Chetwode was Mrs Betjeman. Cookham?? Don't think it's Stanley Spencer. Is it one of the Nashes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 March , 2017 Share Posted 31 March , 2017 1 hour ago, seaJane said: Ker-tinggg - Miss Lord Chetwode was Mrs Betjeman. Exactamento Jane (by the way,wipe that dribble of ice cream off the other half's chin). Chetwode had one son and one daughter, Penelope, who married dear old Sir John when he was a foppish Oxford failure. (Oh to have been a fly on the wall when Philip Chetwode and John Betjeman first met-wasn't it along the lines that Chewode said he didnt want any formalities-Betjeman could simply call him "Field Marshal" ?) Anyway,there you are-and, of course, John Betjeman has a charming statue in the re-vivified St Pncras which he did so much to save. As to gold for the Nazis- Well,during the Second World War, Chetwode headed the British Red Cross. As he was a Field Marshal-and they technically never retire, then it might have caused a few problems. Now, after the end of the war, there was an "official" history of the British Red Cross and St. John war effort- a book which is relatively common. What is not common is the 3 volumes of restricted materials in appendices to the official history- Only 50 sets printed. It is written in "best Civil Service"-measured,neutral-dullish. But it shows that Chetwode still had a deal of clout in the corridors of power. Although the volumes were obviously written by a skilled Civil Service minute-taker, there is a deal of information that had to be kept off the record- Including when the Germans in 1943 wanted payment for the costs of shipping in large quantities of Red Cross parcels to POWS- both ship and by Lufthansa (from Lisbon). Thus, an oblique way of paying was arranged-Not a great deal of detail about it but enough to show that wars can be administratively awkward-and that the leadership skills of Chetwode were actually put to very good and effective use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 Cookham?? Afraid not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 A casualty of the Great War A gas attack may ring a bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 1 hour ago, RaySearching said: A casualty of the Great War A gas attack may ring a bell Nope,still struggling-Bit on that theme, who might this chap be: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 Another clue to 5861 Has a connection to the Queens Westminster Rifles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 43 minutes ago, RaySearching said: Another clue to 5861 Has a connection to the Queens Westminster Rifles Is he Rupert Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 2 hours ago, Uncle George said: Is he Rupert Lee? Nope another clue He was at one time employed as a staff artist by the Sphere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 (edited) Philip Dadd - KIA 2 August 1916 Edited 1 April , 2017 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 2 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Philip Dadd - KIA 2 August 1916 Spot on Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 1 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2017 (edited) Sargent's portrait of Durand. Waiting to see what the GW connection is ! Edited 1 April , 2017 by Stoppage Drill Post #5869 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhmETg7cEZk ?? Kath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 April , 2017 Share Posted 1 April , 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Stoppage Drill said: Sargent's portrait of Durand. Waiting to see what the GW connection is ! Blast- No connection with Carolus-Durand- Just thought a straightforward portrait of John Singer Sargant would be a little too easy-the only difficulty being that in middle age he could have earned a supplementary income as a body-double for King George V. Yes,Sargant it is-if only as an excuse to put this up:-The greatest British work of art of the Twentieth Century. OK,he was from Trumplandia-and there must be something wrong-Haig greatly admired the painting (Sorry folks-"Gassed" just wont stick) Edited 1 April , 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 1 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2017 As luck would have it, there's a bit in today's Telegraph about Sargent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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