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Oh, and his half brother was Lieutenant Colonel Sir Martin Archer Shee DSO

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8 minutes ago, David Ridgus said:

 

NF

 

I love the school hols, I finally get a chance to be in on the ground floor of a WIT I actually know. This is George Archer Shee, whose dramatic story was turned into the play The Winslow Boy by Terence Rattigan. That whether or not a naval cadet had pinched a postal order should be raised in the Commons during a debate on the Navsl Estimates has got to be one of the most surreal episodes of the Edwardian era. So sad that having left the navy he enlisted in the Army and was killed at First Ypres aged just 19.

 

David

 

5 minutes ago, David Ridgus said:

Oh, and his half brother was Lieutenant Colonel Sir Martin Archer Shee DSO

I`s dotted and T`s crossed. 100% correct, David. Well played.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Archer-Shee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Archer-Shee

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You'd think we would have run out of such interesting stories but they keep turning up. I was vaguely aware of the back story to Rattigan's play but that is fascinating. That said I've just found myself wondering if we've had these two before on WiT? I think I had better go and lie down.........

 

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I'm interested in the name of the cows, but it may be possible to find the name of the man with a search of the extensive library.

 

Pete.

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No bull, I`m trying to make out whether that`s an udder hanging beneath the one with the horns, or something else. (Perhaps it is I that should go and have a lie down)

I have read of several instances of resourceful soldiers keeping cows for milk, sometimes even in the front-line trenches, but I can`t recall any names. Shall we start with "Daisy"?

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Hi Pete 

They are Bella and Bertha, checked out the forum for "cows" and........

 

It appears that the chap in the photo is not the original handler, and that the only  cowhand that can be i.d. is the last according to the link in the thread.

 

John

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Just now, neverforget said:

No bull, I`m trying to make out whether that`s an udder hanging beneath the one with the horns, or something else. (Perhaps it is I that should go and have a lie down)

I have read of several instances of resourceful soldiers keeping cows for milk, sometimes even in the front-line trenches, but I can`t recall any names. Shall we start with "Daisy"?

 

We haven't had any four legged friends for ages, and the new boys and girls may find it diverting (or maybe not). You can start with Daisy but that's not the answer in either case. Or their cowman.

1 minute ago, voltaire60 said:

  Gert and Daisy?   Jack Warner?

 

           Did this help win the war?

 

It's an interesting point which I will return to if anyone gets vaguely close to their real names......

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1 minute ago, Knotty said:

Hi Pete 

They are Bella and Bertha, checked out the forum for "cows" and........

 

It appears that the chap in the photo is not the original handler, and that the only  cowhand that can be i.d. is the last according to the link in the thread.

 

John

 

......which John has done with some alacrity. Bella and Bertha travelled everwhere with the 2nd Scots Guards after they found them untended near Fromelles in late 1914. I've got a soft spot for the 2nd, they appeared to be a law unto themselves, and I think were the chaps involved in the Christmas 1915 truce, although I could be wrong. They were also obsessive about football, having two of Everton's 1914-15 team in their ranks later in the war (a third was in the 1st Battalion).

 

Pete.

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Well I never! What a small world it is. My last two dogs were called BellaFile0165.jpg.c27a94313002cc6e2872a589c76b5839.jpg

and Berthaber1.thumb.JPG.a8514ae11298b6c3d95944a514955b5c.JPG

Anyway, back to the matter in hand; who painted these two fine pictures???

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Here's a fine figure of a man. An interesting cap badge. Who is he ? ? ?

 

 

 

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Deleted - David Ridgus beat me to it. But, to be picky, the half-brother Martin Archer-Shee was never an army commander.

 

Ron

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8 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said:

They are the Archer-Shee family, though the half-brother Martin was never an army commander. He did command more than one battalion, though. The father, and the painter, were both also called Martin and the naval cadet was, of course, George, who joined the army and was killed on 31 October 1914.

 

Ron

I`m afraid you`ve been pipped Ron, Although you are the first to mention the painter ancestor.

One of their Wiki pages described the half brother as an army commander, and so although it was my mistake to post that inaccuracy, my even bigger mistake was to take Wiki`s info for granted. 

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Eugène Galien-Laloue?

 

P.S. - sorry NF we posted at the same time. Still, 'No harm, no foul,' (as Joey's agent Estelle would remind us).

 

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1 hour ago, Fattyowls said:

 

Always assume I'm 'avin a larf as they may well say out M. Voltaire's way.

 

Pete.

 

     Now, now- we have perfect English diction over this way- Quite topical given the WIT-  "How Now Brown Cow?"

 

       Actually, I'm from Debnzhur

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13 minutes ago, Uncle George said:

 

Eugène Galien-Laloue?

 

P.S. - sorry NF we posted at the same time. Still, 'No harm, no foul,' (as Joey's agent Estelle would remind us).

 

As Casanova would say; nothing wrong with having two on the go at the same time in any case.

My paintings were not the work of Eugène Galien-Laloue. My chap seemed to specialise in war themed paintings, but he was also renowned for other work, including the design of banknotes.

I find the one depicting the soldiers filing through the trenches quite captivating. (No, that isn`t a cryptic clue by the way)

I`ll post a couple more if he doesn`t go soon. his air plane pictures are excellent imho.

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2 minutes ago, neverforget said:

As Casanova would say; nothing wrong with having two on the go at the same time in any case. 

As Casanova would say; nothing wrong with having two on the go at the same time in any case.

My paintings were not the work of Eugène Galien-Laloue. My chap seemed to specialise in war themed paintings, but he was also renowned for other work, including the design of banknotes.

I find the one depicting the soldiers filing through the trenches quite captivating. (No, that isn`t a cryptic clue by the way)

I`ll post a couple more if he doesn`t go soon. his air plane pictures are excellent imho.

 

Clues take me to Lucien Jonas.

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9 minutes ago, Uncle George said:

 

Clues take me to Lucien Jonas.

Not him either I`m afraid. Here`s a picture of him at work:pm.jpg.5f96c11110217ce0f32e909d807bcc07.jpg

And a couple of other examples:jui.jpg.5bdf4f2a51d6405f82549a35d891d85e.jpg

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He was such a prolific painter. An image search for his work has brought up hundreds of paintings. 

I`m giving him away here, as enough is probably enough, but he designed France`s banknotes.

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2 hours ago, David Ridgus said:

Oh, and his half brother was Lieutenant Colonel Sir Martin Archer Shee DSO

The artist was another Martin Archer Shee whose portrait of Inspector General of Hospitals and Fleets Sir William Burnett hangs in the stairwell at work. :)

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5 minutes ago, seaJane said:

The artist was another Martin Archer Shee whose portrait of Inspector General of Hospitals and Fleets Sir William Burnett hangs in the stairwell at work. :)

Quite so, and apparently From 1842–1849, he was the first president of the Birmingham Society of Artists, so floats my boat too ?

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18 minutes ago, neverforget said:

Not him either I`m afraid. Here`s a picture of him at work:

And a couple of other example

He was such a prolific painter. An image search for his work has brought up hundreds of paintings. 

I`m giving him away here, as enough is probably enough, but he designed France`s banknotes.

 

Henri Clement Serveau?

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12 minutes ago, Uncle George said:

 

Henri Clement Serveau?

Not him either. I have just discovered how many artists designed French banknotes, and so my "giveaway" clue wasn't such a giveaway after all. His Wiki page says that he designed France's first ever banknote, so hopefully that may be more helpful. 

I will also add that was a friend of John Singer Sargent, who painted his portrait, he also travelled with Jean-Léon Gérôme and Victor Clairin in Italy, and tutored Paul-Émile Bécat.

Hope this gets him out of the way so that folks can concentrate on your strapping fellow. 

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I wish it was Luc-Olivier Merson, if only because he sounds like a portmanteau Arsenal forward, but he doesn't seem to have painted Great War scenes

 

David

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, David Ridgus said:

I wish it was Luc-Olivier Merson, if only because he sounds like a portmanteau Arsenal forward, but he doesn't seem to have painted Great War scenes

 

David

 

 

 

Time to throw the towel in I think, as I have to depart for a couple of hours in order to indulge my vastly better half with a trip to the Garden Centre. (Yippee!!)

He is Francois Flameng. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Flameng

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6 minutes ago, neverforget said:

Time to throw the towel in I think, as I have to depart for a couple of hours in order to indulge my vastly better half with a trip to the Garden Centre. (Yippee!!)

He is Francois Flameng. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Flameng

 

 

Blimey that was a (unsuccessful) search!  But I learnt something new: paper money in its early years went by the delightful (for the etymologists among us) name of Notgeld.

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