David Ridgus Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 Oh, and his half brother was Lieutenant Colonel Sir Martin Archer Shee DSO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 8 minutes ago, David Ridgus said: NF I love the school hols, I finally get a chance to be in on the ground floor of a WIT I actually know. This is George Archer Shee, whose dramatic story was turned into the play The Winslow Boy by Terence Rattigan. That whether or not a naval cadet had pinched a postal order should be raised in the Commons during a debate on the Navsl Estimates has got to be one of the most surreal episodes of the Edwardian era. So sad that having left the navy he enlisted in the Army and was killed at First Ypres aged just 19. David 5 minutes ago, David Ridgus said: Oh, and his half brother was Lieutenant Colonel Sir Martin Archer Shee DSO I`s dotted and T`s crossed. 100% correct, David. Well played. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Archer-Shee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Archer-Shee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) You'd think we would have run out of such interesting stories but they keep turning up. I was vaguely aware of the back story to Rattigan's play but that is fascinating. That said I've just found myself wondering if we've had these two before on WiT? I think I had better go and lie down......... I'm interested in the name of the cows, but it may be possible to find the name of the man with a search of the extensive library. Pete. Edited 13 April , 2017 by Fattyowls Grammar, sense, you name it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 No bull, I`m trying to make out whether that`s an udder hanging beneath the one with the horns, or something else. (Perhaps it is I that should go and have a lie down) I have read of several instances of resourceful soldiers keeping cows for milk, sometimes even in the front-line trenches, but I can`t recall any names. Shall we start with "Daisy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 Gert and Daisy? Jack Warner? Did this help win the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 Hi Pete They are Bella and Bertha, checked out the forum for "cows" and........ It appears that the chap in the photo is not the original handler, and that the only cowhand that can be i.d. is the last according to the link in the thread. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 Just now, neverforget said: No bull, I`m trying to make out whether that`s an udder hanging beneath the one with the horns, or something else. (Perhaps it is I that should go and have a lie down) I have read of several instances of resourceful soldiers keeping cows for milk, sometimes even in the front-line trenches, but I can`t recall any names. Shall we start with "Daisy"? We haven't had any four legged friends for ages, and the new boys and girls may find it diverting (or maybe not). You can start with Daisy but that's not the answer in either case. Or their cowman. 1 minute ago, voltaire60 said: Gert and Daisy? Jack Warner? Did this help win the war? It's an interesting point which I will return to if anyone gets vaguely close to their real names...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 13 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) Deleted Edited 13 April , 2017 by Stoppage Drill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 1 minute ago, Knotty said: Hi Pete They are Bella and Bertha, checked out the forum for "cows" and........ It appears that the chap in the photo is not the original handler, and that the only cowhand that can be i.d. is the last according to the link in the thread. John ......which John has done with some alacrity. Bella and Bertha travelled everwhere with the 2nd Scots Guards after they found them untended near Fromelles in late 1914. I've got a soft spot for the 2nd, they appeared to be a law unto themselves, and I think were the chaps involved in the Christmas 1915 truce, although I could be wrong. They were also obsessive about football, having two of Everton's 1914-15 team in their ranks later in the war (a third was in the 1st Battalion). Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 Well I never! What a small world it is. My last two dogs were called Bella and Bertha Anyway, back to the matter in hand; who painted these two fine pictures??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) Here's a fine figure of a man. An interesting cap badge. Who is he ? ? ? Edited 13 April , 2017 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) Deleted - David Ridgus beat me to it. But, to be picky, the half-brother Martin Archer-Shee was never an army commander. Ron Edited 13 April , 2017 by Ron Clifton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: They are the Archer-Shee family, though the half-brother Martin was never an army commander. He did command more than one battalion, though. The father, and the painter, were both also called Martin and the naval cadet was, of course, George, who joined the army and was killed on 31 October 1914. Ron I`m afraid you`ve been pipped Ron, Although you are the first to mention the painter ancestor. One of their Wiki pages described the half brother as an army commander, and so although it was my mistake to post that inaccuracy, my even bigger mistake was to take Wiki`s info for granted. Edited 13 April , 2017 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) Eugène Galien-Laloue? P.S. - sorry NF we posted at the same time. Still, 'No harm, no foul,' (as Joey's agent Estelle would remind us). Edited 13 April , 2017 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 1 hour ago, Fattyowls said: Always assume I'm 'avin a larf as they may well say out M. Voltaire's way. Pete. Now, now- we have perfect English diction over this way- Quite topical given the WIT- "How Now Brown Cow?" Actually, I'm from Debnzhur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Eugène Galien-Laloue? P.S. - sorry NF we posted at the same time. Still, 'No harm, no foul,' (as Joey's agent Estelle would remind us). As Casanova would say; nothing wrong with having two on the go at the same time in any case. My paintings were not the work of Eugène Galien-Laloue. My chap seemed to specialise in war themed paintings, but he was also renowned for other work, including the design of banknotes. I find the one depicting the soldiers filing through the trenches quite captivating. (No, that isn`t a cryptic clue by the way) I`ll post a couple more if he doesn`t go soon. his air plane pictures are excellent imho. Edited 13 April , 2017 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 2 minutes ago, neverforget said: As Casanova would say; nothing wrong with having two on the go at the same time in any case. As Casanova would say; nothing wrong with having two on the go at the same time in any case. My paintings were not the work of Eugène Galien-Laloue. My chap seemed to specialise in war themed paintings, but he was also renowned for other work, including the design of banknotes. I find the one depicting the soldiers filing through the trenches quite captivating. (No, that isn`t a cryptic clue by the way) I`ll post a couple more if he doesn`t go soon. his air plane pictures are excellent imho. Clues take me to Lucien Jonas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 9 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Clues take me to Lucien Jonas. Not him either I`m afraid. Here`s a picture of him at work: And a couple of other examples: He was such a prolific painter. An image search for his work has brought up hundreds of paintings. I`m giving him away here, as enough is probably enough, but he designed France`s banknotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 2 hours ago, David Ridgus said: Oh, and his half brother was Lieutenant Colonel Sir Martin Archer Shee DSO The artist was another Martin Archer Shee whose portrait of Inspector General of Hospitals and Fleets Sir William Burnett hangs in the stairwell at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 5 minutes ago, seaJane said: The artist was another Martin Archer Shee whose portrait of Inspector General of Hospitals and Fleets Sir William Burnett hangs in the stairwell at work. Quite so, and apparently From 1842–1849, he was the first president of the Birmingham Society of Artists, so floats my boat too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 18 minutes ago, neverforget said: Not him either I`m afraid. Here`s a picture of him at work: And a couple of other example He was such a prolific painter. An image search for his work has brought up hundreds of paintings. I`m giving him away here, as enough is probably enough, but he designed France`s banknotes. Henri Clement Serveau? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Henri Clement Serveau? Not him either. I have just discovered how many artists designed French banknotes, and so my "giveaway" clue wasn't such a giveaway after all. His Wiki page says that he designed France's first ever banknote, so hopefully that may be more helpful. I will also add that was a friend of John Singer Sargent, who painted his portrait, he also travelled with Jean-Léon Gérôme and Victor Clairin in Italy, and tutored Paul-Émile Bécat. Hope this gets him out of the way so that folks can concentrate on your strapping fellow. Edited 13 April , 2017 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 I wish it was Luc-Olivier Merson, if only because he sounds like a portmanteau Arsenal forward, but he doesn't seem to have painted Great War scenes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, David Ridgus said: I wish it was Luc-Olivier Merson, if only because he sounds like a portmanteau Arsenal forward, but he doesn't seem to have painted Great War scenes David Time to throw the towel in I think, as I have to depart for a couple of hours in order to indulge my vastly better half with a trip to the Garden Centre. (Yippee!!) He is Francois Flameng. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Flameng Edited 13 April , 2017 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 13 April , 2017 Share Posted 13 April , 2017 6 minutes ago, neverforget said: Time to throw the towel in I think, as I have to depart for a couple of hours in order to indulge my vastly better half with a trip to the Garden Centre. (Yippee!!) He is Francois Flameng. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Flameng Blimey that was a (unsuccessful) search! But I learnt something new: paper money in its early years went by the delightful (for the etymologists among us) name of Notgeld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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