neverforget Posted 6 May , 2017 Share Posted 6 May , 2017 First wild guess: (Probably first of many) Phillip Gibbs on David Lloyd George? 2 hours ago, Uncle George said: A journalist meets, well, who is he ? ? ?, in 1912: "The slow, ponderous personality, uttering itself in aphorisms laboriously quarried from the stuff of solitary thought; the simple, childlike modesty that pretended to no knowledge on many a subject apparently indispensable to his purpose; the equally childlike pride in and reliance on the results of his own experience, meditation and original thought; the very winning and flattering appearance of deference to what one thought or said oneself - these seemed more in accordance with the character of a prophet or apostle than of a man of action." He had little to do with cricket. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 6 May , 2017 Share Posted 6 May , 2017 Posted in Who is This ? ? ? On 4 May 2016 at 08:36, neverforget said: I will take this opportunity to address any newcomers/potential newcomers to the thread: The quotes that we post on here as clues, can easily be found by highlighting the text, and simply Google-searching for an instant answer. Those of us who have been inmates here for a while know this, and many moons back swore an oath in blood not to use the Google-search facility, and thus reduce the whole W.I.T. thing to a pointless exercise. No harm at all in posting this reminder Uncle George. ? The same applies to pictures of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 6 May , 2017 Share Posted 6 May , 2017 NF Timely reminder, I agree, but when it appears that the finger gets pointed at you (a couple of months ago) it becomes annoying if you are playing the game as best as you can by the "rules". It becomes more infuriating when you send a detailed PM and are not even offered a reply out of courtesy. My annoyance level increased when it was supposedly based on length of time it took me to answer, in my case a mere 24 hrs later was to quick. Anyway it simmered away and decided that I would only stick in my two pennyworth as and when I wanted too. Childish, yes it probably is, but in the end it's only supposed to be a bit of fun. However if I have totally misread the situation I have only "punished" myself. Rant finished - As an aside the definition finger pointing was first used in 1914 John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 7 May , 2017 Share Posted 7 May , 2017 11 hours ago, neverforget said: First wild guess: (Probably first of many) Phillip Gibbs on David Lloyd George? . No, and no. "No man of our time, with the possible exception of Lord Haldane, has been so inaccurately measured as [this man] ; [ ... ] by the public, because he has been chiefly presented to them by a Press which, according to its spectacles, saw in him either an angel or a villain. He was neither. He was a simple and guileful man, cast in a very unusual mould, of which the only other product I have seen was that minor masterpiece of simplicity and cunning, the late President Kruger." The journalist served in the GW in the RNVR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 7 May , 2017 Share Posted 7 May , 2017 Would he have been at sea or with a land based battalion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 7 May , 2017 Share Posted 7 May , 2017 Filson Young served on HMS 'Lion' during the GW. He is describing Jacky Fisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 16 May , 2017 Share Posted 16 May , 2017 (edited) Any takers on this one? [Photographer's inscription on card mount is "Dinham, Torquay", i.e. James C. Dinham died 1912. Photograph in work archive]. Edited 17 May , 2017 by seaJane copyright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 16 May , 2017 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2017 A young John Jellicoe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 May , 2017 Share Posted 16 May , 2017 Sir Lionel Halsey??? Not to be confused with his American namesake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 Neither, though SD is right about the Navy. An early casualty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 7 hours ago, seaJane said: Neither, though SD is right about the Navy. An early casualty. Captain Noel Loxley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 (edited) Yes! Good spot. I don't know why we have the picture but we have some other memorabilia from TOPAZE who helped FORMIDABLE's survivors. Noel Loxley lived in Alverstoke so possible he may have known TOPAZE's surgeon (must find out who this was) especially if the latter was Haslar-trained. Taped to the back of the photograph is the picture below, an artist's impression of the FORMIDABLE going down. NB Loxley's fox terrier, Bruce, who also went down with the ship but whose body was washed ashore in Dorset. He has a war dog's grave in Abbotsbury Gardens. NB: Picture in archives here and as far as I know in the public domain. Edited 17 May , 2017 by seaJane copyright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 39 minutes ago, seaJane said: Yes! Good spot. I don't know why we have the picture but we have some other memorabilia from TOPAZE who helped FORMIDABLE's survivors. Noel Loxley lived in Alverstoke so possible he may have known TOPAZE's surgeon (must find out who this was) especially if the latter was Haslar-trained. Taped to the back of the photograph is the picture below, an artist's impression of the FORMIDABLE going down. NB Loxley's fox terrier, Bruce, who also went down with the ship but whose body was washed ashore in Dorset. He has a war dog's grave in Abbotsbury Gardens. I struck lucky there SeaJane. Going on your early casualty clue, I first investigated our first loss of H.M.S. Pathfinder, but found that the most senior officer that I could find survived, and couldn`t find any notable deaths, so moved on to the second loss, our H.M.S. Formidable. An interesting discovery for me was reading the account of H.M.S. Birmingham, and her sinking of U-15. The first U-boat loss to an enemy warship. I was also pleased to see that she survived the war intact. I just love this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 Does anyone recognise this man, who took no active part in the war, but is known from his thoughts on it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 How about the MP, "'Settlement' firebrand, militant Republican, militant Socialist, militant Agnostic, militant Teetotaller, militant Pacifist" and royal pain in the rear end if ever there was one, Alfred Salter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 18 minutes ago, Uncle George said: How about the MP, "'Settlement' firebrand, militant Republican, militant Socialist, militant Agnostic, militant Teetotaller, militant Pacifist" and royal pain in the rear end if ever there was one, Alfred Salter? No. We are looking at one of two brothers; both writers, and who were completely at odds with one another's views on the war. As the war went on, so the rift between the two brothers widened. The other brother, who opposed the war from the beginning went on to write a bestselling prophetic book in 1918, predicting a catastrophic war to follow. Our man saw the Great War as a "purifying" necessity. Ultimately, both brothers' views carried great weight of influence for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 Is he Thomas Mann, brother of Heinrich Mann? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Is he Thomas Mann, brother of Heinrich Mann? He is indeed U.G. Well sussed. Winner of the Nobel Prize for literature. Him, not you, (as far as I know).https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann One can switch between the two rival siblings here: http://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/mann_thomas I obtained the picture here:https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Thomas_Mann_1900.jpg Edited 17 May , 2017 by neverforget Edited to provide source for image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 Here's an aristocratic-looking chap. He had an amazing career in both Wars. He served with the MGC (inter alia) in the GW, and was awarded the MC in 1918. Who is he ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 39 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Here's an aristocratic-looking chap. He had an amazing career in both Wars. He served with the MGC (inter alia) in the GW, and was awarded the MC in 1918. Who is he ? ? ? Hmm. I'm sure I've seen this picture somewhere but can't place him at all. Your clues aren't ringing any bells for me either. I get the feeling that someone is going to get him and then I'll be kicking myself. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 May , 2017 Share Posted 17 May , 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Uncle George said: Here's an aristocratic-looking chap. He had an amazing career in both Wars. He served with the MGC (inter alia) in the GW, and was awarded the MC in 1918. Who is he ? ? ? Kermit Roosevelt, MC, son of Teddy. His WW2 career was a tragedy. A pity that this sketch by his fellow American, John Singer Sargent was not upgraded to a portrait oil. Edited 17 May , 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 18 May , 2017 Share Posted 18 May , 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, voltaire60 said: Kermit Roosevelt, MC, son of Teddy. His WW2 career was a tragedy. A pity that this sketch by his fellow American, John Singer Sargent was not upgraded to a portrait oil. Correct on all counts. Image from Wikipedia. Edited 18 May , 2017 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 18 May , 2017 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2017 13 hours ago, voltaire60 said: Kermit Roosevelt, MC, son of Teddy. His WW2 career was a tragedy. His elder brother Theodore Jr. led the first wave of the 4th US Infantry Division onto Utah Beach. He died in Normandy and is buried at the US cemetery overlooking Omaha. Younger brother Quentin killed in action in 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 18 May , 2017 Share Posted 18 May , 2017 How about this one? No, really; ! don't know the answer. Someone has scrawled "Beatty?" on the back, but I don't think it is. I would really like to know. sJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 18 May , 2017 Share Posted 18 May , 2017 5 minutes ago, seaJane said: How about this one? No, really; ! don't know the answer. Someone has scrawled "Beatty?" on the back, but I don't think it is. I would really like to know. sJ It does look a lot like the younger Beatty in a photo from 'alamy' accessed through Google images - but in the current climate I hesitate to post it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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