neverforget Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 15 minutes ago, Uncle George said: They are not. Their father says: "I should have been sorry to ask a nice honest upright lad to risk his life for the greed of gain. I could not have done it - my two boys are in the new Army - two as nice boys as you will find anywhere." The Lloyd brothers from Birmingham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 9 minutes ago, neverforget said: The Lloyd brothers from Birmingham? Er, no. Both ended up in the House of Lords - "five hundred men chosen at random from the ranks of the unemployed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 22 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Er, no. Both ended up in the House of Lords - "five hundred men chosen at random from the ranks of the unemployed." The 2nd Early Lloyd George of Gwyfor and the 1st Viscount Tenby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 The 2nd Early Lloyd George of Gwyfor and the 1st Viscount Tenby? Yes! Image from David Williamson's 'Lloyd George - a Man of the People' (1917). https://archive.org/details/lloydgeorgemanof00will According to Williamson, both sons "joined the Royal Welsh [sic] Fusiliers"; their badges in the photograph would seem to confirm this. Gwilym's Wikipedia page tells us (with no source given) that he was commissioned into the RWF, and transferred into the RGA: his MIC confirms this. Richard's Wikipedia page says (again, with no source) that he was "commissioned into the Royal Engineers". I cannot find his MIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 (edited) Deleted. Edited 7 June , 2017 by Uncle George Cancelled due to lack of interest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Well, let's have another brotherly pair- from a family noted for producing doomed youth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 6 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Grenfells ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 2 minutes ago, Stoppage Drill said: Grenfells ? But of course- Which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 6 June , 2017 Admin Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Francis and Rivvy Grenfell. I believe Rivvy is the one wearing the Sam Browne. Buried Vendresse Communal. Francis buried at Vlamertinghe I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Michelle Young said: Francis and Rivvy Grenfell. I believe Rivvy is the one wearing the Sam Browne. Buried Vendresse Communal. Francis buried at Vlamertinghe I think. Riversdale-Yes- So for the record...the other is... Edited 6 June , 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 6 June , 2017 Admin Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Riversdale Nonus Grenfell and Francis Octavius Grenfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Bingo!! And this chap- His Boer War record reads like a list of clasps for the Q/KSA medla (In fact he had 6 clasps) He took part in the advance on, and relief of, Kimberley, including the actions at Belmont, Enslin, Modder River and Magersfonteln, and in the operations in the Orange Free State from Feb. to May, 1900, including the actions at Paardeberg, Poplar Grove, and Karee Siding.Wounded Transvaal 1901 His younger brother was a noted twitcher (No, not Bill Oddie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 Hmmm - twitcher ... brother to Edward Hilton Young? Edward Grey? sJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 7 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 7 June , 2017 The 2nd Early Lloyd George of Gwyfor and the 1st Viscount Tenby? Not in the photograph they weren't, and not for another 30 or 40 years ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 6 hours ago, seaJane said: Hmmm - twitcher ... brother to Edward Hilton Young? Edward Grey? sJ Alas, No- Grey would be a bit too old for our purposes- the famous picture of him fishing with a bird sitting on his head probably suggests low limits to Grey's potential military ability. Our man was an early casualty of the Great War- Churchill, who knew him, (and the younger brother) put his death down to sheer exhaustion, which is not correct but the family had a splendid tradition of military service. If it helps (which it probably will not) then-tongue in cheek-the younger brother was involved in zoo management (And no, this is not a clutch of Durrells) 1 hour ago, Stoppage Drill said: Not in the photograph they weren't, and not for another 30 or 40 years ! Exactly so- but the questioner specifically said that both became peers, so thus, the answer given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 Alas, No- Grey would be a bit too old for our purposes- the famous picture of him fishing with a bird sitting on his head probably suggests low limits to Grey's potential military ability. Our man was an early casualty of the Great War- Churchill, who knew him, (and the younger brother) put his death down to sheer exhaustion, which is not correct but the family had a splendid tradition of military service. If it helps (which it probably will not) then-tongue in cheek-the younger brother was involved in zoo management (And no, this is not a clutch of Durrells) Is this Alanbrooke's brother? He served with WSC but I can't remember his name. EDIT: His name was Victor Brooke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Is this Alanbrooke's brother? He served with WSC but I can't remember his name. You are almost there UG- Churchill had glowing words to say about 2 of Brookie's older brothers, whom he had known. This is Victor, dow 1915. The tease is that Alan Brooke was "involved" in zoo management-as he was a distinguished head of the Zoological Society of London in his retirement years, and ,of course, RSPB Like the Grenfells, Victor Brooke was doomed by the Great War- the courage and gallantry they all showed was incompatible with survival (or much chance of it) in a grim ternch war. Edited 7 June , 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 You are almost there UG- Churchill had glowing words to say about 2 of Brookie's older brothers, whom he had known. This is Victor, dow 1915. The tease is that Alan Brooke was "involved" in zoo management-as he was a distinguished head of the Zoological Society of London in his retirement years, and ,of course, RSPB Like the Grenfells, Victor Brooke was doomed by the Great War- the courage and gallantry they all showed was incompatible with survival (or much chance of it) in a grim ternch war. WSC to Alan Brooke in 1941: "I did not expect that you would be grateful or overjoyed at the hard anxious task to which I summon you. But I feel that my old friendship for Ronnie and Victor, the companions of gay subaltern days and early wars, is a personal bond between us, to which will soon be added the comradeship of action in fateful events." EDIT: But he also said, later in the Second war, "When I thump the table and push my face towards him, what does he do? Thumps the table harder and glares back. I know these Brookes - stiff-necked Ulstermen and there is no one worse to deal with than that!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 52 minutes ago, Uncle George said: WSC to Alan Brooke in 1941: "I did not expect that you would be grateful or overjoyed at the hard anxious task to which I summon you. But I feel that my old friendship for Ronnie and Victor, the companions of gay subaltern days and early wars, is a personal bond between us, to which will soon be added the comradeship of action in fateful events." EDIT: But he also said, later in the Second war, "When I thump the table and push my face towards him, what does he do? Thumps the table harder and glares back. I know these Brookes - stiff-necked Ulstermen and there is no one worse to deal with than that!" Glad to be reminded of these well-known remarks about Brookie. A distinguished family- the careers of Ronnie and Victor show that the family tradition of dynamic military activity was not just the superb "office" job done by AB in WW2- AB's Great War record should be better known- the Canadian stuff in particular for ABs work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 More brothers, but three this time. Who are they??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 7 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 7 June , 2017 30 minutes ago, neverforget said: More brothers, but three this time. Who are they??? Royal Canadians - the Millets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 25 minutes ago, Stoppage Drill said: Royal Canadians - the Millets. Right first time. Well done. Two of them were awarded the Military Cross. Very popular with the birds too I wouldn't doubt. Picture from here.http://regimentalrogue.com/rcr_great_war_officers/rcr_offr_millett_fb.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 (edited) Now that NF's brothers have been identified, here are a father and son: Edited 7 June , 2017 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 25 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Now that NF's brothers have been identified, here are a father and son: I immediately recognized the Jeremy Corbyn lookalike as Baron Nathaniel Rothschild, but it took rather longer to pinpoint which son, who appears to also be called Nathaniel, but was better known as Charles. Subjects of more conspiracy theories than probably anyone; not all of which were unfounded of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 5 minutes ago, neverforget said: I immediately recognized the Jeremy Corbyn lookalike as Baron Nathaniel Rothschild, but it took rather longer to pinpoint which son, who appears to also be called Nathaniel, but was better known as Charles. Subjects of more conspiracy theories than probably anyone; not all of which were unfounded of course. He does look like ol' Corby, you're right! Ll.G speaks very highly of him in his 'Memoirs' - he had sent for him in 1914 to ask his advice on stabilising the pound: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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