Uncle George Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 6 hours ago, voltaire60 said: The white beard and ferocious eyelashes suggests that it is John Burns. Had been in prison, was a PC-though the cartoon may not be contemporaneous with his elevation Yes, you are right. Image from archive.org. Tale from John Simon's 'Retrospect' (1952). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 Another chap long overdue his place on WIT. A bit grainy but not a difficult one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, neverforget said: Another chap long overdue his place on WIT. A bit grainy but not a difficult one: Is this Randolph Scott? Edited 3 July , 2017 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Is this Randolph Scott? Not he Uncle. Survived being gassed, and went on to a "Major" role in WW2. "Unknown soldier"? Hardly! Edited 3 July , 2017 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 He is one of the three outstanding soldiers of the A.E.F. selected by General Pershing to form part of the pallbearer Honour guard for the internment of the American unknown warrior, Sgt York and Colonel Whitlesey of the "Lost Battalion" were the other more well known soldiers, but this is Samuel Woodfill, here is an account of his record https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Woodfill. A very brave soldier indeed. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 8 minutes ago, Knotty said: He is one of the three outstanding soldiers of the A.E.F. selected by General Pershing to form part of the pallbearer Honour guard for the internment of the American unknown warrior, Sgt York and Colonel Whitlesey of the "Lost Battalion" were the other more well known soldiers, but this is Samuel Woodfill, here is an account of his record https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Woodfill. A very brave soldier indeed. John Correct. America's most decorated soldier. A soldier of such high profile that it was difficult to find clues that wouldn't immediately identify him. http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/woodfill.htm Picture taken from Pinterest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 OK- a little more difficult-but not JPEG,so "scout's honour" with the mouse, chaps. Our man was Australian but held an important job throughout the war- although very rarely mentioned. His only appearances on GWF are about whether he could write properly. A grey man- name doesn't really come up in the war memoirs-and he is not in Oxford DNB. In one sense, Lord Kitchener's bag carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 19 minutes ago, voltaire60 said: OK- a little more difficult-but not JPEG,so "scout's honour" with the mouse, chaps. Our man was Australian but held an important job throughout the war- although very rarely mentioned. His only appearances on GWF are about whether he could write properly. A grey man- name doesn't really come up in the war memoirs-and he is not in Oxford DNB. In one sense, Lord Kitchener's bag carrier. Is this Dallas Brooks? He was later involved in the Hess carryon, became Governor of Victoria, and, as it happens, has a close-ish family connection to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 July , 2017 Share Posted 3 July , 2017 9 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Is this Dallas Brooks? He was later involved in the Hess carryon, became Governor of Victoria, and, as it happens, has a close-ish family connection to me. Alas, No- My man is so grey, that there is little to relate about him. He was born in Oz but not notably connected with it thereafter. My man ought to be better remembered because of his job during the war. My chap held no military rank, though was much involved with the DSO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 I will call it a day with this chap-he is so grey that he has merged into the wallpaper of history-Sir Reginald Brade- Permanent Under Secretary at the War Office,1914-1920- must have had talents to stay the course but a complete unknown. What did he do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 21 minutes ago, voltaire60 said: he is so grey that he has merged into the wallpaper of history Perhaps the quintessential civil servant then? Entered as a clerk and continued upward Did? Examined by the War Policy Committee (Aug 1915) regarding how to conduct affairs in 1916. Suggested by Bonar Law as someone to consult (together with Callwell) re sending WSC to run East African campaign Sent Dardanelles Commission documents to Callwell for comments on what could & could not be published my info runs out in 1916 – be interested to learn what else he had a hand in later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 On 04/07/2017 at 22:31, voltaire60 said: Sir Reginald Brade- Permanent Under Secretary at the War Office,1914-1920- must have had talents to stay the course but a complete unknown. What did he do ? Amongst other things, he would appear to have been involved in the turf war between the War Office and the Ministry of Munitions - see Ll.G's 'Memoirs', pages 366 to 381: https://archive.org/stream/warmemoirsvolume035284mbp#page/n403/mode/2up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 Robertson mentions Brade in 'From Private to Field-Marshal', page 252: https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028003436#page/n283/mode/2up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 Thanks chaps- There are odd bits about him- Discovery at TNA lists some letters with the big knobs,so he must have played quite an important role behind the scenes- perhaps the most unknown of Britiain's war machinery ? No papers, no memoirs- most odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 As you might have expected, Brade was somehow or other involved in the Roberston/Wilson changeover I have no details, only a cryptic ref. or two from a footnote see War Cabinet (447) July 17, 1918, CAB 23/7 & Wilson Diary, July 15 & 17, 1918 The passage in the text is "Lloyd George's case against Robertson seemed even stronger. After the permanent military representative had been instructed by the Allied ministers to examine and report on the military situation, the army council renewed its efforts to tie Wilson completely to the War Office. On December 7, Wilson had been instructed to forward all proposals he planned to make at the Supreme War Council to the Army Council for its review." from Lloyd George and the Generals, by David R Woodward [this may make more sense to someone else?] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 This chap, and Brade, were supposedly enmeshed in the alleged War Office conspiracy, of which Churchill was sure he was a victim. Who is he ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 2 hours ago, Uncle George said: This chap, and Brade, were supposedly enmeshed in the alleged War Office conspiracy, of which Churchill was sure he was a victim. Who is he ? ? ? Is it Sir George Arthur, concerning the Dardanelles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 5 minutes ago, neverforget said: Is it Sir George Arthur, concerning the Dardanelles? You have correctly identified the controversy. My chap bore a splendid, almost medieval-sounding Office, which was abolished in the year 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 On the same page is a Major General Sir Stanley von Donop. Is it him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 36 minutes ago, neverforget said: On the same page is a Major General Sir Stanley von Donop. Is it him? Yes indeed. (Image from Alamy.com.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Brenton_von_Donop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 On 05/07/2017 at 07:33, Uncle George said: Yes indeed. (Image from Alamy.com.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Brenton_von_Donop Another one of the big guns I hadn't heard of before. The highlighted yellow words in my image betray my search. (Screenshot of the results). The last couple of fellows have been completely off my radar, so hopefully you will forgive my self-indulgence with this one??? (Two remarkably dissimilar images of the same chap.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 As an aside, Sir Reginald Brade was succeeded at the War Office by H J (later Sir Herbert) Creedy in 1920. Creedy held the post until 1939. He had been Private Secretary to Lord Kitchener in 1915. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 13 hours ago, Uncle George said: You have correctly identified the controversy. My chap bore a splendid, almost medieval-sounding Office, which was abolished in the year 2013. It actually was mediaeval. Under slightly different variations of the title, it dates back to 1415. It's a pity that its abolition could not have waited for two more years! Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 3 hours ago, neverforget said: Another one of the big guns I hadn't heard of before. The highlighted yellow words in my image betray my search. (Screenshot of the results). The last couple of fellows have been completely off my radar, so hopefully you will forgive my self-indulgence with this one??? (Two remarkably dissimilar images of the same chap.) No idea- The picture on the left suggests he enjoyed a Full English Breakfast-at least 4 times a day.Also, was he ever arrested for impersonating Sir Rosslyn Wester-Wemyss? Perhaps they both went to the same Greasy Spoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 25 minutes ago, voltaire60 said: No idea- The picture on the left suggests he enjoyed a Full English Breakfast-at least 4 times a day.Also, was he ever arrested for impersonating Sir Rosslyn Wester-Wemyss? Perhaps they both went to the same Greasy Spoon A most interesting fellow with more strings to his bow than seems possible. For starters; he was a sportsman who won an Olympic gold medal. I will also disclose that he was a pioneering innovator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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