Uncle George Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 30 minutes ago, neverforget said: A most interesting fellow with more strings to his bow than seems possible. For starters; he was a sportsman who won an Olympic gold medal. I will also disclose that he was a pioneering innovator. Is this Fred Kelly? He won a rowing Gold in 1908, served with the Royal Naval Division, and was killed on the Somme in 1916. http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/community/stories/remembrance/sport-remembers-the-amazing-fred-kelly-rowing-genius-composer-leader/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 1 minute ago, Uncle George said: Is this Fred Kelly? He won a rowing Gold in 1908, served with the Royal Naval Division, and was killed on the Somme in 1916. http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/community/stories/remembrance/sport-remembers-the-amazing-fred-kelly-rowing-genius-composer-leader/ Good try U.G. but not correct I'm afraid. He was an author, and was connected to both the army and navy. He had a brother who was far more famous (or infamous depending on your point of view). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 It is most likely to be Alfred Rawlinson, brother of General Henry Rawlinson, based on the clues. (The right hand image shows the close resemblance) Recieved Olympic gold in 1900 in polo and went onto to be a Colonel in the Intelligence Service, and was captured by the Turks. Abridged version of his life is here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Alfred_Rawlinson,_3rd_Baronet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 Clearly I am far too generous with my clues. I must rethink my strategy. As John says it is Sir Alfred "Tubby" Rawlinson. Well done Knotty. Pictures from here: http://kilburnandwillesdenhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/willesden-paddocks-famous-stud-farm.html?m=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 7 July , 2017 Share Posted 7 July , 2017 (edited) Can you chaps (and chapesses,SeaJane) have a go at this fellow- Well-known for his exploits which would take your breath away. But-overlooked- an officer of the Royal Engineers during the Great War-wounded three times. A tough man Image details after identification-Luckily not on Sh*tbucket-sorry,Photobucket) Edited 7 July , 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 7 July , 2017 Share Posted 7 July , 2017 (edited) Gah. I've seen him somewhere. There is an "explorer" bell ringing. Not Tom Crean is it? [edit: No, not TC, who was of course Navy, not RE>] Edited 7 July , 2017 by seaJane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 7 July , 2017 Share Posted 7 July , 2017 Unfortunately your link goes directly to an article where that picture is captioned Noel Odell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 7 July , 2017 Share Posted 7 July , 2017 I don't think this chap's appeared on WiT. But his brother certainly has. More than once, I think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 7 July , 2017 Share Posted 7 July , 2017 12 hours ago, MBrockway said: Unfortunately your link goes directly to an article where that picture is captioned Noel Odell So much for me displacing Bill Gates as a software genius then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 9 July , 2017 Share Posted 9 July , 2017 On 07/07/2017 at 09:14, Uncle George said: I don't think this chap's appeared on WiT. But his brother certainly has. More than once, I think: If it's Robin Hoods Rifles, then possibly Cyril Ball, brother of Albert Ball, VC? His MIC shows he was still a private at the end of the war, but I guess this could be a post war photo? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 10 July , 2017 Share Posted 10 July , 2017 (edited) On 10 July 2017 at 00:30, MBrockway said: If it's Robin Hoods Rifles, then possibly Cyril Ball, brother of Albert Ball, VC? His MIC shows he was still a private at the end of the war, but I guess this could be a post war photo? Mark Not him, no. My chap was commissioned after this photograph was taken. And he held a commission before this photograph was taken. EDIT: He is Donald Hankey. Image from archive.org. Edited 12 July , 2017 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 20 July , 2017 Share Posted 20 July , 2017 Thanks for letting us know Uncle George - Andy and I have been on tenterhooks waiting for the Big Reveal. To learn he was a 14th Div man (7/RB) is even better! A Student In Arms is online here: https://archive.org/details/studentinarms00hankuoft/ Hankey's letters here: https://archive.org/details/lettersofdonaldh00hankuoft ... and the frontispiece reminds me why I thought Uncle George's photo looked so familiar! I've spent some time over the years trying to connect up Donald Hankey with Gilbert Talbot, Neville Talbot and Tubby Clayton as I feel Hankey's work at Oxford and the Bermondsey missions must have lead their paths to cross. This all stems from my interest in the Liquid Fire attack at Hooge in July 1915. I now spot this in Hankey's letters, this one to his sister: [Edit: I am guessing the club referred to may well be ToC H at Talbot House and the censor's strike was over 'Poperinghe'] Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 21 July , 2017 Share Posted 21 July , 2017 And a later photograph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 22 July , 2017 Share Posted 22 July , 2017 These two men served together: they were very well known in their respective civilian roles. A general officer described one of them as the "best staff officer" he ever had. Who are they ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 22 July , 2017 Share Posted 22 July , 2017 UG Was it Allenby that said it of Brig-Gen Richard Howard-Vyse when he got him to join Lt-Col Henry Chauvel for the 3rd Gaza battle? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 22 July , 2017 Share Posted 22 July , 2017 (edited) On 22 July 2017 at 20:43, Knotty said: Was it Allenby that said it of Brig-Gen Richard Howard-Vyse when he got him to join Lt-Col Henry Chauvel for the 3rd Gaza battle? He may well have done; but as I say, my two chaps were very well known in their respective civilian lives. EDIT: Images from IWM. Edited 24 July , 2017 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 How about something a little different. Apart from being Field Marshals, what do the following (who are all of Great War vintage) have in common? Earl Roberts Earl Kitchener Earl of Cavan Viscount Alanbrooke Hint: there is a connection to a man named Gerald Wollaston. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 40 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: How about something a little different. Apart from being Field Marshals, what do the following (who are all of Great War vintage) have in common? Earl Roberts Earl Kitchener Earl of Cavan Viscount Alanbrooke Hint: there is a connection to a man named Gerald Wollaston. Ron a) Freemasons ii) Descendants of William the Conqueror. 3) All involved in the suppressed scandal of sale of honours by the College of Heralds? No idea- but knowing your liking for the backwaters of military administration.....perhaps something to do with the office of Inspector of Regimental Colours????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 None of the above, I'm afraid, but you have correctly identified Gerald Wollaston. In each case the link, and connection, is very specific indeed. Ron PS The answer has nothing whatever to do with poetry or T E Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 4 hours ago, Ron Clifton said: None of the above, I'm afraid, but you have correctly identified Gerald Wollaston. In each case the link, and connection, is very specific indeed. Ron PS The answer has nothing whatever to do with poetry or T E Lawrence. Ulster- All Ulstermen- including Wollastion in one sense-Ulster and Norroy at the College of Arms. Ron-You could at least have treated us to a history of the office of Inspector of regimental Colours while you were at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 On 22/07/2017 at 10:59, Uncle George said: These two men served together: they were very well known in their respective civilian roles. A general officer described one of them as the "best staff officer" he ever had. Who are they ? ? ? Uncle George. Is the second chap Charles Paget? 6 hours ago, Ron Clifton said: How about something a little different. Apart from being Field Marshals, what do the following (who are all of Great War vintage) have in common? Earl Roberts Earl Kitchener Earl of Cavan Viscount Alanbrooke Hint: there is a connection to a man named Gerald Wollaston. Ron I was going to suggest that they may have been Knights Templar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 1 hour ago, voltaire60 said: Ulster- All Ulstermen- including Wollastion in one sense-Ulster and Norroy at the College of Arms. Ron-You could at least have treated us to a history of the office of Inspector of regimental Colours while you were at it. Cavan was not an Ulsterman as far as I know. It's not the connection I had in mind, anyway. Nor is the colonelcy of the Irish Guards, which only three of them were. Ron 1 hour ago, neverforget said: Uncle George. Is the second chap Charles Paget? I was going to suggest that they may have been Knights Templar? Not as far as I know. Kitchener is the only one whom I know was a Mason, though the others may have been. As I said, the connection is "very specific indeed." Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 1 hour ago, neverforget said: Uncle George. Is the second chap Charles Paget? No, not him. They may both be described as forgotten men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 In that case would it be the New Zealand Major-General Andrew Hamilton Russell? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 28 July , 2017 Share Posted 28 July , 2017 12 minutes ago, Knotty said: In that case would it be the New Zealand Major-General Andrew Hamilton Russell? John No. The general officer mentioned in post #6897, who had such a high opinion of one of these officers, was Trenchard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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