Uncle George Posted 15 October , 2014 Share Posted 15 October , 2014 He ran amuck in the Marmara and caused consternation in Constantinople. JP He's Captain M E Nasmith VC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 15 October , 2014 Share Posted 15 October , 2014 He's Captain M E Nasmith VC You're right Uncle George. Martin Eric Dunbar-Nasmith VC, KCB, KCMG etc etc As Lieutenant-Commander of E11, he camouflaged the sub by lashing a dhow to the conning tower, retrieved torpedoes that failed to hit their target, and blew up a ship carrying much-needed coal as it docked at Constantinople. E11 spent ninety-six days in the Marmara, forty-seven in one spell, and sank single-handed 101 vessels including a battleship, destroyer and three gunboats. Dunbar-Nasmith was promoted to Admiral in 1936 and after WW11 was Vice-Chairman of the Imperial War Graves Commission. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 15 October , 2014 Share Posted 15 October , 2014 Who is this elderly gent? JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2014 Share Posted 16 October , 2014 Just to keep everyone in the loop as they say; I have had a missive from David to say he has been snowed under at work hence his absence from the thread. He is nearly finished with what he is doing and is threatening a comeback at the weekend. Looking forward to it already. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 16 October , 2014 Share Posted 16 October , 2014 Just to keep everyone in the loop as they say; I have had a missive from David to say he has been snowed under at work hence his absence from the thread. He is nearly finished with what he is doing and is threatening a comeback at the weekend. Looking forward to it already. Pete. Good news. So that's what's been keeping him at Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises. No idea about JP's old-timer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 16 October , 2014 Share Posted 16 October , 2014 Who is John Buchan describing here ? ? ? " He had that air of mystery and taciturnity which the ordinary man loves to associate with a great soldier... As it happened, the popular judgment, though right in spirit, was wrong on most of the facts. [He] had little gift for detail and he was a poor administrator. He was fond of summary methods, and the result was often confusion. He was not a comfortable member of a team. So far from being a man of iron and granite, he was often lonely and conscious of it, often undecided, too loyal sometimes to be wise, and too tender-hearted to be just." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghazala Posted 16 October , 2014 Share Posted 16 October , 2014 Who is John Buchan describing here ? ? ? " He had that air of mystery and taciturnity which the ordinary man loves to associate with a great soldier... As it happened, the popular judgment, though right in spirit, was wrong on most of the facts. [He] had little gift for detail and he was a poor administrator. He was fond of summary methods, and the result was often confusion. He was not a comfortable member of a team. So far from being a man of iron and granite, he was often lonely and conscious of it, often undecided, too loyal sometimes to be wise, and too tender-hearted to be just." Lord Kitchener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 Lord Kitchener Yes. " His underrating of the Territorials was to be a grave hindrance to the British effort. But he had the invaluable gifts of foresight and imagination, though to his long-sighted eyes the foreground might sometimes be dim." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 Who is this ? ? ? He was killed on the Western Front in 1916. Buchan writes of him thus: "Was there ever an odder destiny for a gipsy than to be a Cabinet Minister in spite of himself at thirty-eight? No man could have wanted it less. He did his work well ... but his heart was never in it. He had no ambition, and the long round of conferences, deputations, unmeaning speeches, idle debates, was wholly distasteful. He disliked London, shunned ordinary society, and was happy only in the company of his friends." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 Who is this ? ? ? He was killed on the Western Front in 1916. Buchan writes of him thus: "Was there ever an odder destiny for a gipsy than to be a Cabinet Minister in spite of himself at thirty-eight? No man could have wanted it less. He did his work well ... but his heart was never in it. He had no ambition, and the long round of conferences, deputations, unmeaning speeches, idle debates, was wholly distasteful. He disliked London, shunned ordinary society, and was happy only in the company of his friends." I know that photo because your subject was on my list of future WIT's. He is Auberon Thomas Herbert, Liberal MP, RFC. He lost a leg in the Boer War and was killed, aged 40, when his plane went down over German lines in 1916. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 I know that photo because your subject was on my list of future WIT's. He is Auberon Thomas Herbert, Liberal MP, RFC. He lost a leg in the Boer War and was killed, aged 40, when his plane went down over German lines in 1916. JP Yes indeed. Like Seely and Churchill, a Cabinet Minister who served on the Western Front. Buchan refers to him as 'Bron': "... Two days later Maurice came to me and told me that Bron was missing. The chances were about equal that he was a prisoner, and for some time we dared to hope. Then, early in December, we heard that he was dead. When our troops advanced to victory in the autumn of 1918 they found his grave. "There could be no sorrow in such a death, though for his friends an undying regret. The homely English countryside, the return of spring, the sports which he loved are the emptier for his absence. Maurice Baring has written of this in his beautiful elegy. " 'So when the Spring of the world shall shrive our stain After the winter of war, When the poor world awakes to peace once more, After such night of ravage and of rain, You shall not come again. You shall not come to taste the old Spring weather, To gallop through the soft untrampled heather, To bathe and bake your body on the grass. We shall be there. Alas! But not with you. When Spring shall wake the earth, And quicken the scarred fields to the new birth, Our grief shall grow. For what can Spring renew More fiercely for us than the need of you?' " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 Who is this elderly gent? JP His career began in the 1870's and five decades of adventure took him around the globe. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 His career began in the 1870's and five decades of adventure took him around the globe. JP "Five decades of adventure." What a giveaway. He is Frederic Villiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 "Five decades of adventure." What a giveaway. He is Fredreric Villiers. Frederic Villiers, artist, author and war correspondent. JP Loos, September 1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 KIA in 1914. Who is this? JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 Prince Maurice of Battenberg; youngest grandson of the lady in black and therefore cousin of the Kaiser. He is buried in Ypres Town cemetery. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 Prince Maurice of Battenberg; youngest grandson of the lady in black and therefore cousin of the Kaiser. He is buried in Ypres Town cemetery. Pete. Prince Maurice of Battenberg it is. Youngest child of Princess Beatrice who was the youngest child of VR. He served as a Lieutenant in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps and was killed on 27 October 1914 aged 23. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 17 October , 2014 Share Posted 17 October , 2014 Who is this? JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 18 October , 2014 Share Posted 18 October , 2014 How about this chap. (Does anyone read 'Private Eye'?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 18 October , 2014 Share Posted 18 October , 2014 Who is this? JP Woodrow Wilson, in younger (college) days? Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 18 October , 2014 Share Posted 18 October , 2014 Woodrow Wilson, in younger (college) days? Ron No, not Woodrow Wilson. My chap wasn't an American. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 19 October , 2014 Share Posted 19 October , 2014 Who is this? JP Is he the Australian first-class cricketer and World tennis No.1 Tony Wilding? He was killed at Neuve-Chapelle in 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 19 October , 2014 Share Posted 19 October , 2014 Is he the Australian first-class cricketer and World tennis No.1 Tony Wilding? He was killed at Neuve-Chapelle in 1915. No, not Tony Wilding. My chap wasn't an Australian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 19 October , 2014 Share Posted 19 October , 2014 Who is this? JP A Lieutenant in the King's Royal Rifle Corps, he DOW in June 1917. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 October , 2014 Share Posted 19 October , 2014 Who said this " Lord Kitchener had the complex that every commander who wanted time to refit or rest his horses was a loafer. " " But the good Lord Kitchener would not leave the man on the spot to finish any job so much had the complex of distrust arisen within him. " " Lord Kitchener always had a desire to throw gravel into a good machine and see it grind and groan. " Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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