Uncle George Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 A clue to my pitiful post 1703: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDWARD1 Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 I was thinking more along the line of fish eggs in a small stream Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Then they must be the 7 sons of the Australians Frederick and Maggie Smith - 6 of the 7 (Herbert William, Frederick Walter, Alfred Ernest, Clarence Leslie, Errol Victor and Aubrey Lyall) were killed in action and the 7th, Francis Hume, the eldest, was the sole survivor. The inset photo, being an older man, must be of Francis. What a devastating tale. Cheers Colin Oh Colin! That is so close; you have nailed it but unbelievably, it`s the wrong Smiths. Look to the hills, closer to home. The Pennines to be precise. Devastating, indeed. Just two ordinary families; ten brothers killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Oh Colin! That is so close; you have nailed it but unbelievably, it`s the wrong Smiths. Look to the hills, closer to home. The Pennines to be precise. Devastating, indeed. Just two ordinary families; ten brothers killed. OK, I've found it now: it's the Smith family of Barnard Castle, Co. Durham. The man in the inset photo must be Wilfred who was allowed to go home after his 4 brothers and a half-brothe had been killed. Apparently the vicar's wife wrote to Queen Mary on the mother's behalf and she arranged for Wilfred to be sent home. Absolutely tragic - and what a coincidence that both families were named Smith. Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Wilfred it is, Colin. Well played. Tragic coincidence indeed. I have spared many a thought for the poor mothers and devastated families left behind after their loved one(s) have made the ultimate sacrifice to protect them. A similar tale here. This lady`s expression says it all I think. That isn’t the way the coal man knocks Dark earth and blackened hands Who rattles the letter box? That isn’t the way the milkman knocks Pale earth strewn in foreign lands Who rattles the letter box? That isn’t the way the fish-seller knocks Gaping mouths and staring eyes Who rattles the letter box? That isn’t the way the egg-man knocks Cracked shells and broken lives Who rattles the letter box? So mother buttons her first son’s coat In Avondale, in Avondale And his name comes home in an envelope. And a mother buttons her second son’s coat And wraps a muffler around his throat In Avondale, in Avondale And his name comes home in an envelope. And runs a comb through her third son’s fringe And wipes a crumb from her fourth son’s lips And presses a note in her fifth son’s fist In Avondale, in Avondale And buttons their coats And their names come home in envelopes. Some days the wind troubles the hinges and locks And a sunflower sways and the tree-house rocks But it’s deadly quiet in Avondale When somebody knocks. Who rattles Who rattles the letter box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 A haunting poem, NF. I also have a favourite (in German) that wonderfully expresses the deep sadness of a bereaved mother and I've loved it ever since I was first introduced to it at school. I've also been puzzling over UG's matelot and also got as far as Roe, Roebuck, Deer, Deering or Fallow(e)(s), but can't find a suitable candidate, so here's a new one from me on the theme of flying aces. In fact he did the trick twice and the photo was taken some 14-15 years after he was awarded the Pour le Mérite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 A haunting poem, NF. I also have a favourite (in German) that wonderfully expresses the deep sadness of a bereaved mother and I've loved it ever since I was first introduced to it at school. I've also been puzzling over UG's matelot and also got as far as Roe, Roebuck, Deer, Deering or Fallow(e)(s), but can't find a suitable candidate, so here's a new one from me on the theme of flying aces. In fact he did the trick twice and the photo was taken some 14-15 years after he was awarded the Pour le Mérite My post was of de Robeck. Yes I agree and I'll stop now. Kipling's 'The Children' is a shocking, searing poem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Kipling's 'The Children' is a shocking, searing poem.Indeed it is, and obviously so personal. Displays an understanding of the "finer details" quite untypical of people in general at the time. Terribly guilt ridden and haunted man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 A haunting poem, NF. I also have a favourite (in German) that wonderfully expresses the deep sadness of a bereaved mother and I've loved it ever since I was first introduced to it at school. I've also been puzzling over UG's matelot and also got as far as Roe, Roebuck, Deer, Deering or Fallow(e)(s), but can't find a suitable candidate, so here's a new one from me on the theme of flying aces. In fact he did the trick twice and the photo was taken some 14-15 years after he was awarded the Pour le Mérite Is it Immelmann Colin? I'm at work and as such cannot access my extensive library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Is it Immelmann Colin? I'm at work and as such cannot access my extensive library. No, sorry, not he. In WW1 he was with the Marinefliegerkorps, in WW2 he was the first Commodore of a Jagdstaffel that was subsequently named after his immediate successor and he has a first (in the field of reconnaissance) and a last to his name (both in WW1).... EDIT: What I believed to be the "last" to his name turns out on further investigation to be an error... Cheers Colin My post was of de Robeck. Yes I agree and I'll stop now. Aaaaarggghhhhhhhh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Colin. Off the top of my head again; Kostin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Well that's annoying. I suffer a bereavement, the next day Ofsted arrive (you couldn't make it up) and now into the bargain when I return to the bosom of my online pals at WIT I find I've missed a whole sub-theme. Enjoyed the woodland creatures - surreal even by our standards, We appear to just have Beechhill's three brothers in arms to identify. My ignorance of cap badges and collar dogs as ever hampers me. However shameless use of the extensive library (I'm too mentally drained to even make an attempt at pretending I recognised these three obscure Canadians!) suggests they are the brothers Millett, beloved of budgerigars everywhere David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Oh the Trill of the chase! Condolences, David. EDIT: We do still have the lady from the previous page with the poem dedicated to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 Oh the Trill of the chase! Condolences, David. EDIT: We do still have the lady from the previous page with the poem dedicated to her. She's Amy Beechey. I was certain we'd featured her before in the dim and distant past of WIT, but she's not on the spreadsheet so I must have seen her in another context. David David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 22 January , 2015 Share Posted 22 January , 2015 That`s her, David. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 Colin. Off the top of my head again; Kostin? No. sorry, it's not Kostin either. His first concerned a reconnaissance flight over Britain in a land-based plane and his "tally" was 32 + 6. Here a photo in WW1. According to some British sources he could have been your dad's brother (but I've not seen that in German texts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 ....and a photo dated 1936 (there's a clue in the file name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beechhill Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 Well that's annoying. I suffer a bereavement, the next day Ofsted arrive (you couldn't make it up) and now into the bargain when I return to the bosom of my online pals at WIT I find I've missed a whole sub-theme. Enjoyed the woodland creatures - surreal even by our standards, We appear to just have Beechhill's three brothers in arms to identify. My ignorance of cap badges and collar dogs as ever hampers me. However shameless use of the extensive library (I'm too mentally drained to even make an attempt at pretending I recognised these three obscure Canadians!) suggests they are the brothers Millett, beloved of budgerigars everywhere David Indeed they are:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 No. sorry, it's not Kostin either. His first concerned a reconnaissance flight over Britain in a land-based plane and his "tally" was 32 + 6. Here a photo in WW1. According to some British sources he could have been your dad's brother (but I've not seen that in German texts). He is Theo Osterkamp - 32 victories in GW and 6 in the Second war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 He is Theo Osterkamp - 32 victories in GW and 6 in the Second war. The very one - well done UG! Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 The very one - well done UG! Cheers Colin Osterkamp. Are you commencing a points of the compass sub-theme? Who, then, is this ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 Osterkamp. Are you commencing a points of the compass sub-theme? That wasn't my intention, but if you insist: Harold Easton? I don't think it will produce a high yield - unless we look for names containing ..nnw.., ..ssw... etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 That wasn't my intention, but if you insist: Harold Easton? I don't think it will produce a high yield - unless we look for names containing ..nnw.., ..ssw... etc You may be right about the yield: but look how far the avian sub-theme was taken. All the way to the Millett brothers! He is not Harold Easton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 You may be right about the yield: but look how far the avian sub-theme was taken. All the way to the Millett brothers! He is not Harold Easton. OK - here's one for you to ponder while my mind wanders off in all directions to find your answer.... It may be a bit cheaty of me because you'll need his full title which is not usually shown - but it does in fact contain two points of the compass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 23 January , 2015 Share Posted 23 January , 2015 He is not Harold Easton. Then perhaps Mortimer Sackville West? I've not come up with a photo of him, so I'm guessing blind... He was, however, an ace with 5 victories, killed 11.11.1917 Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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