Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 If not, another clue please! Cheers Colin Another clue: do you remember that Kenneth More film 'The Admirable Crichton'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 OK, got him: Fritz Wiedemann Was AH's regimental commander in the GW and later his personal adjutant. He did the dirty on Hitler during his time in the diplomatic service in the USA, but subsequently returned to the fold. Was also involved in the Nuremberg trials, giving evidence after charges against him had been dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 OK, got him: Fritz Wiedemann Was AH's regimental commander in the GW and later his personal adjutant. He did the dirty on Hitler during his time in the diplomatic service in the USA, but subsequently returned to the fold. Was also involved in the Nuremberg trials, giving evidence after charges against him had been dropped. Yes! Well done. During the GW Wiedemann was the adjutant of the List regiment, in which Hitler served as a Private. (His rank 'gefreiter' is often incorrectly translated as 'corporal'. See here: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=211459&hl= ) As you say, Wiedemann later became AH's personal adjutant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Much obliged to you Pete for posting the link for me. I`ll leave you with this chap, ex-Army officer, who is another "first to......"ni.jpg Clues when I get up this afternoon, if he hasn`t gone by then. I'm struggling with this young man. Meanwhile, who is this young man, in the third row nearest the camera ? ? ? He's being inspected by Sir William Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Yes! Well done. During the GW Wiedemann was the adjutant of the List regiment, in which Hitler served as a Private. (His rank 'gefreiter' is often incorrectly translated as 'corporal'. See here: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=211459&hl= ) As you say, Wiedemann later became AH's personal adjutant. More appropraitely "Gefreiter" should perhaps be translated as "senior private" - an enlisted man was just "Soldat", "Infanterist" or some other designation according to what type of regiment he was serving in and I think the confusion with Lance Corporal comes about becaus a "Gefreiter" was considered to be the corporal's deputy in the section - although he was not empowered to give orders on his own initiative. OR grades are very confusing with NCO "with" or "without" lanyard (Portepee) and there were slight differences between the Prussian and other armies of the Empire - it's a science in itself! On your previous question about Jewish officers, the Bavarian army was a bit of an exception as it had a greater proportion of Jewish Reserve Officers (with the stress on "reserve") although this proportion was still a great deal lower than in the general population. It also had a much higher proportion of non-noble (but not Jewish) officers in the standing army than the Prussians. It's all highly convoluted! Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 I'm struggling with this young man. Meanwhile, who is this young man, in the third row nearest the camera ? ? ? He's being inspected by Sir William Robertson. Facially it could almost be Albert of York, but not in that uniform..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Facially it could almost be Albert of York, but not in that uniform..... Yes it does look like Bertie. Very much so. 'Private First Class', as they have in the US army, would seem to me to be an accurate translation of 'gefreiter'. The German historian Thomas Weber consistently refers to AH as 'Private Hitler' in 'Hitler's First War'. There's a well-known Nazi propaganda poster of Frederick the Great, Bismark, Hindenburg and Hitler captioned: 'What the king conquered, the prince formed, and the field marshal defended, was rescued and united by the soldier [der Soldat]'. Thanks for the info about the Bavarian army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 I'm struggling with this young man. Meanwhile, who is this young man, in the third row nearest the camera ? ? ? He's being inspected by Sir William Robertson. I`m in a similar state regarding your chap, uncle, unless Colin has him I`m afraid I haven`t a clue. Are we looking at the fellow nearest the camera overall, or is it the chap in the third row from the front? (Thin face) I only discovered my ex-officer last night, whilst reading my latest book at work. Up till then I hadn`t heard of his rather dubious distinction. Descended from a founding "lunartick". Ascent will help with this origin. Killed in August 1914. He is buried in an unmarked grave in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 I`m in a similar state regarding your chap, uncle, unless Colin has him I`m afraid I haven`t a clue. Are we looking at the fellow nearest the camera overall, or is it the chap in the third row from the front? (Thin face) . Yes, this private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Descended from a founding "lunartick". Ascent will help with this origin. . These clues are leading towards moon, Armstrong, the Wiltshire Regiment.. am I close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Yes, this private. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Still haven`t a clue, but I`m guessing somehow that he`s a very well known character, as the image is quite blurred? These clues are leading towards moon, Armstrong, the Wiltshire Regiment.. am I close? I`m afraid not, and I don`t want to mislead you because, uncharacteristically for me of late, this is not an easy one. The "lunarticks" were the Lunar Society of Birmingham. "Ascent will help with this Origin" (man missing) is relevant here if you know your authors. And I know you know your authors. His death prompted an enquiry, as it was considered to be a case of murder by the British government. However, after a court martial, his Prussian killer was controversially acquitted and subsequently promoted. To add insult to injury, his belongings were sold to pay for his hospital treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Descended from a founding "lunartick". Ascent will help with this origin. Killed in August 1914. He is buried in an unmarked grave in Germany. I've been thinking along the lines of the 18th century Lunar Society in Brum, whose members called themselves "lunarticks", the founders (or at least regular members) including Erasmus Darwin, Ben Franklin et al - but I can find no connection/descendent. And I can't see an Armstrong either. Also, an unmarked grave in Germany suggests an execution - was he a spy? Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Henry Hadley, great grandson of Darwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Thanks for clarifying that for me. Still haven`t a clue, but I`m guessing somehow that he`s a very well known character, as the image is quite blurred . Very well known indeed. A private in this photograph, but I mentioned that in order to mislead. As Colin said, could be Bertie if it were not for that uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 I've been thinking along the lines of the 18th century Lunar Society in Brum, whose members called themselves "lunarticks", the founders (or at least regular members) including Erasmus Darwin, Ben Franklin et al - but I can find no connection/descendent. And I can't see an Armstrong either. Also, an unmarked grave in Germany suggests an execution - was he a spy? Cheers Colin You`re getting there, Colin. Spot on with the lunarticks. Ascent will help with this Origin" (man missing) Ascent of man, Origin of the species leads us to Darwin of course, so we have his ancestor. He was never considered as a spy, but his travelling companion was subsequently arrested and questioned as one, before being released unblemished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 You`re getting there, Colin. Spot on with the lunarticks. Ascent will help with this Origin" (man missing) Ascent of man, Origin of the species leads us to Darwin of course, so we have his ancestor. He was never considered as a spy, but his travelling companion was subsequently arrested and questioned as one, before being released unblemished. You have missed my post #2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 (edited) Henry Hadley, great grandson of Darwin. An "on fire" U.G. didn`t need the embellishments. Henry Hadley it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hadley_%28died_1914%29 First British casualty of WW1. EDIT: I think I was still posting when your answer came through. Well played, in any case. Edited 9 February , 2015 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Very well known indeed. A private in this photograph, but I mentioned that in order to mislead. As Colin said, could be Bertie if it were not for that uniform. Then is it Edward? I know he sort of served with the Grenadiers and won a M.M. or something similar for his troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Then is it Edward? I know he sort of served with the Grenadiers and won a M.M. or something similar for his troubles.Yes indeed. He was awarded the MC.http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=216336&hl= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Reverting momentarily back to David`s sub theme, here`s another that I couldn`t find in the plural, as he should be. Another unusual death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 An "on fire" U.G. didn`t need the embellishments. Henry Hadley it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hadley_%28died_1914%29 First British casualty of WW1. EDIT: I think I was still posting when your answer came through. Well played, in any case. Thanks for that link. I remembered the story when I saw it, but it hadn't registered that he was a g-grandson of Erasmus Darwin Yes indeed. He was awarded the MC. Blast! - I must have switched my head off there (in order to get some work done ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 9 February , 2015 Admin Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Reverting momentarily back to David`s sub theme, here`s another that I couldn`t find in the plural, as he should be. Another unusual death.ju.jpg Major CAL Yate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Right first time, Michelle. Charles Allix Lavington Yate. V.C. Well spotted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Allix_Lavington_Yate His decision to cut his own throat was thought to have been influenced by his recent time spent in Japan, and subsequent exposure to the Samurai tradition . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 (edited) Who is this??? Helped veterans. EDIT: Specifically; helped disabled veterans. Edited 9 February , 2015 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 9 February , 2015 Share Posted 9 February , 2015 Whilst we look for NF's helpful gent, who's this colourful character: (image courtesy of Imperial War Museum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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