Wigwhammer Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 No, he started his pioneering work in the last years of the 19th century and during WW1 was in charge of its implementation in the British Army. It was one of the few areas of the war where we were better than the Germans from the start. Various members of his service have already featured on WIT Capt. A P Corcoran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 There are clues, cryptic clues and Daniel's smoke bombs... So to summarise: we are looking for a man from NYC who was called up for the US Army but discharged almost immediately for some weird reason and (post GW?) used a pseudonym... Where to start? Or are we looking at some kind of evangelist (the stressing of "Christian") - unless he was an entertainer or a crook/politician? Cheers Colin Colin, You are quite close to figuring him out. One more clue for you: his post-war career was fraught with controversy, which scholars in his particular field debate to this very day. Some would say that he never quite filled the big shoes of the man he replaced in his chosen field, as it were. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Capt. A P Corcoran? Dear friend, no........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 There are clues, cryptic clues and Daniel's smoke bombs... So to summarise: we are looking for a man from NYC who was called up for the US Army but discharged almost immediately for some weird reason and (post GW?) used a pseudonym... Where to start? Or are we looking at some kind of evangelist (the stressing of "Christian") - unless he was an entertainer or a crook/politician? Cheers Colin Ah Colin. There are wan smiles on the faces of myself, Pete, Steve, Caryl, neverforget, Uncle George, khaki and so many other old lags to see yet another Inmate sucked into the black hole of Daniel's clues. We all started the same way - thinking that the answer was just out of reach, that we just needed that extra clue - and then it happens: we realise that each new clue takes us farther away from the answer, not closer. That behind this façade of amiability and New World courtesy lurks the mind of a super-villain who toys with us humble mortals for mere sport. Oh and by the way when we finally discover who this chap is it is almost guaranteed that none of us will have heard of him. Good luck mate, you really are one of us now David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 There are clues, cryptic clues and Daniel's smoke bombs... So to summarise: we are looking for a man from NYC who was called up for the US Army but discharged almost immediately for some weird reason and (post GW?) used a pseudonym... Where to start? Or are we looking at some kind of evangelist (the stressing of "Christian") - unless he was an entertainer or a crook/politician? Cheers Colin WSC : "Out of intense complexities intense simplicities emerge.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 I've been far too generous already...I should have limited myself to THREE clues... Muahaha, -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Well I've wasted most of my day on this, but it's been very quiet today and I've learnt a lot of trivia, nevertheless thanks for the commiserations! My objection being only that this chap seemingly had nothing to do with the GW after he'd called up and then been sent home again. I final try before I wreck my computer: The big controversy of the 1920s that still resonates was, of course, the Scopes monkey trial, but there seems to be no connection to NYC. The names that come up there are William Jennings Bryan, politician and creationist, leader of the prosecution team (too old), his son WJB jr. (can't find anything on him), Clarence Darrow, leader of the defence team and civil liberties activist and one Sue Hicks, a male member of the defence team who later became a judge and was possibly the person that inspired the Johnny Cash song. The last mentioned could have been sent home from the army because of the derision he may have been subject to about his name - but I have no confirmation. Scopes himself would have been too young to be called up. Now whilst composing this Daniel has confused me even more with his latest offering, so my toys have now been forcibly ejected from my pram and I'm going home to sulk. SO THERE! Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Whilst we tear ourselves apart about Daniel's, further clues to mine. The paper will have been in existence 117 years this April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Well I've wasted most of my day on this, but it's been very quiet today and I've learnt a lot of trivia, nevertheless thanks for the commiserations! My objection being only that this chap seemingly had nothing to do with the GW after he'd called up and then been sent home again. I final try before I wreck my computer: The big controversy of the 1920s that still resonates was, of course, the Scopes monkey trial, but there seems to be no connection to NYC. The names that come up there are William Jennings Bryan, politician and creationist, leader of the prosecution team (too old), his son WJB jr. (can't find anything on him), Clarence Darrow, leader of the defence team and civil liberties activist and one Sue Hicks, a male member of the defence team who later became a judge and was possibly the person that inspired the Johnny Cash song. The last mentioned could have been sent home from the army because of the derision he may have been subject to about his name - but I have no confirmation. Scopes himself would have been too young to be called up. Now whilst composing this Daniel has confused me even more with his latest offering, so my toys have now been forcibly ejected from my pram and I'm going home to sulk. SO THERE! Cheers Colin Colin this is brilliant reasoning and deserves to be the correct answer. If Daniel had an ounce of decency behind his suave international criminal facade he would give it to you for working out as the examiners never did on my mathematics papers. Like you I have learned a massive amount by following wild goose chases in the course of this thread. Pete. P.S. Just for the record I don't do wan smiles, particularly after the result from Bern. I now have a grin from ear to ear which will require a trip to A&E to remove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Colin has done a fantastic job reasoning his way to a fine candidate, who, sadly, is not my chappie. Fine, more clues for my fellow WITters, but now I feel I am really giving it away: The man my fella replaced... was his own brother, to thus work alongside...his brother. You may not recognize him in this photo but his face is, in all likelihood, one you have seen before, but when asked to describe himself, his reply was "I'm hideous." -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Colin has done a fantastic job reasoning his way to a fine candidate, who, sadly, is not my chappie. Fine, more clues for my fellow WITters, but now I feel I am really giving it away: The man my fella replaced... was his own brother, to thus work alongside...his brother. You may not recognize him in this photo but his face is, in all likelihood, one you have seen before, but when asked to describe himself, his reply was "I'm hideous." -Daniel I think it might be "Shemp", Daniel, though I may well have the wrong brother, or even the wrong brothers? Can`t back it up with any strange discharge story. Whilst we tear ourselves apart about Daniel's, further clues to mine. The paper will have been in existence 117 years this April Steve, I really feel that I should know this fellow, and after exhausting searches, and a hatful of clues to go on, the penny still refuses to drop. Hoping for a Eureka moment, which I`m sure will hit me the moment someone else posts the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Yep, NF you've nailed Daniel's, it is definitely Stemp Howard (of Three Stooges fame). He was supposedly discharged (an appropriate word !) from the army for bed-wetting. A further clue for my chap. He was appointed Lieutenant Colonel to run his service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 I think it might be "Shemp", Daniel, though I may well have the wrong brother, or even the wrong brothers? Can`t back it up with any strange discharge story. Steve, I really feel that I should know this fellow, and after exhausting searches, and a hatful of clues to go on, the penny still refuses to drop. Hoping for a Eureka moment, which I`m sure will hit me the moment someone else posts the answer. You have him! Well done! Discharged from the army for bed-wetting. Born Samuel Horwitz in New York, Shemp went on to fame as the replacement for 'Curly', his brother who appeared with Moses Horwitz, aka 'Moe' Howard and Larry Fine (born Louis Feinberg) in the original Three Stooges. Here's Shemp's Draft Registration Card: From: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-26518-32280-46?cc=1968530 Neither Moe nor Larry served in the Great War, in case you were wondering. Shemp was known pretty widely as 'The Ugliest Man in Hollywood'. Read more about Shemp, here: http://mentalfloss.com/article/29410/shemp-forgotten-stooge -Daniel PS: Moe Howard's Draft Registration Card, in case you are interested: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Good one, Daniel. And I must add; good clues too. At this rate, "Danielesque" will soon be used to describe one who is being too generous with their clue-giving. I have put just as much work into Steve`s man, and I feel so close, though I`m probably no nearer than when I started. I think this one takes the biscuit for me as regards driving me round the bend. I thought I had him via his thumb-print, but it turned out that one of his whorls wasn`t quite right. A new one for you, and it looks like it might be time to rewrite the record books again. Thanks largely to a member of this G.W.F. Who is this??? R.F.A. 5th Division. Killed 1916. His brother was killed a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 Last clue of the day. He volunteered in 1914 and formed the VPWC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 He volunteered in 1914 Along with just over a million other men. Very Danielesque Mr M! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 ......and set up the VPMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 ......and set up the VPMC Forgive my ignorance but I've no idea what that stands for David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 Sorry David, it's early ! That should have read VPWC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 The Three Stooges? Well I think I've heard the name before, but they're way off my radar.... I'll read Daniel's links when I get to work and have some free time. Nevertheless, well done NF! And as for VPWC - Victory Praise & Worship Centre? Visa Paralympics World Cup? No, I'm not going down that highway - I want revenge!! Who ist this? Just 1 mean clue (although I might soften up later): - soon after the GW he was condemned to death, but the sentence was commuted the very next day Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 What will hopefully be the last clue needed for mine: a man of lofty ideals, 100,000 recruits past through his hands who were responsible, amongst other endeavours, for saving hundreds of lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 Another day of self-inflicted insanity begins with Steve`s latest clues. I just can`t bring myself to give up on him, but my goodness, it`s quite a ride. Colin is being very cagey, and I`m wondering if his man`s "crime" occured during or just after WW1? I could have put my chap in the colours sub-theme, and Stormwatch might help you find him if you think of folk-rock. Why do I persist with this munificence, and making it so easy for you!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 Colin is being very cagey, In a way, you could say my chap was too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 A new one for you, and it looks like it might be time to rewrite the record books again. Thanks largely to a member of this G.W.F. Who is this???ia.jpg R.F.A. 5th Division. Killed 1916. His brother was killed a year later. He is George Bemand, possibly the British Army's first black officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 20 February , 2015 Share Posted 20 February , 2015 ... and I`m wondering if his man`s "crime" occured during or just after WW1? The crime (no need for inverted commas!) was murder - politically-racially motivated murder in fact - committed just a few months after the armistice Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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