Wigwhammer Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 Prince Ernst Julius zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, killed in action at Villiers-le-Guise 28 Aug 1914? No Uncle, 'fraid not. My lad came to grief in October 1914 in Moorslede, but I have not been able to find further details of exactly how. Strangely, he has an entry in the English Wikipedia, but not in the German. Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 No Uncle, 'fraid not. Colin OK then. How about Prince Maximillian of Hesse (brother of Friedrich Wilhelm), killed in action St-Jean-Chappel, France 13 Oct 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 OK then. How about Prince Maximillian of Hesse (brother of Friedrich Wilhelm), killed in action St-Jean-Chappel, France 13 Oct 1914. Sorry, again no. He shared his father, but not his mother, with my previous WIT, appearing on the scene less than a year before his father's demise. Whilst researching these nobles I have come to realise just how many of them were KIA in the first few weeks of the war - and obviously the younger generation as their elders, whilst being on active service, were not usually in the front line. Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 Sorry, again no. He shared his father, but not his mother, with my previous WIT, appearing on the scene less than a year before his father's demise. Cheers Colin So, Josias, Hereditary Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont EDIT: No, Wolrad of Waldeck and Pyrmont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 So, Josias, Hereditary Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont EDIT: No, Wolrad of Waldeck and Pyrmont That's the fella! Was a lieutenant in the Garde-Dragoner-Rgt. Nr.23, 4. Esk., KIA 17.10.1914 in Moorslede, NE of Ypres. He was the half-brother of Friedrich, whose mother had died and their father remarried. Wolrad was about 27 years younger than Friedrich. Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 Colin, Trying to find out more about the Heinrich numbering sequences of the Reuss junior and senior lines led me to my copy of forum member Joe Rookery's (Joe and Janet Robinson's) "Handbook of Imperial Germany" which (I hope) has allowed me to identify Friedrich I bought their Great War Dawning a couple of weeks ago and it should be next up for reading - but I think it'd be well worth getting this one too. Thanks for the hint! Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 UG, great guess, but it is not Lugg. My second clue should put folks on the right path. My man did not serve, though he tried repeatedly to do so, and his death was a result of the ongoing war, though he died on the home front. -Daniel Is he Bolo Pasha? He was a Frenchman, tried for treason. The French government had appealed to the governor of New York asking for help in collecting evidence against Bolo, and Merton E. Lewis, the Attorney General of New York State, was assigned to the case. He was able to collect some "sensational" evidence. Long story short, Bolo Pasha was executed in Vincennes, on the morning of April 17, 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 UG, great guess, but it is not Lugg. My second clue should put folks on the right path. My man did not serve, though he tried repeatedly to do so, and his death was a result of the ongoing war, though he died on the home front. -Daniel Wild guess, Daniel; is it Sidonio Pais, the President of Portugal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 UG and NF, Great (and interesting!) guesses, but you are on the wrong side of the Atlantic. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 (edited) UG and NF, Great (and interesting!) guesses, but you are on the wrong side of the Atlantic. -Daniel Excuse me Sir, But YOU are on the wrong side of the Atlantic. Thanks for narrowing it down (A bit). I`ll get me boat. EDIT> Only took about an hour and a half of trawling through the ocean of candidates, but for once! I think I`ve got there before U.G. German coalminer Robert Prager. Lynched at Collinsville for anti USA comments. "A mob on April 4 captured Prager at his home, paraded him, made him kiss the flag — momentarily rescued and hustled off to jail by police and a mayor who tried to talk the mob out of its design — then shanghaied from his “protective” custody cell and taken to the outskirts of Collinsville for hanging on a tree. Eleven men stood trial for the affair over three weeks. Once the matter was finally rested with the jury, they were instantly acquitted." Edited 5 March , 2015 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigwhammer Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 I'm going to be out all day today and I've not had time to prepare another royal, so who's this? Not a royal, but certainly a royalist - and his greatest success was probably cultivating that facial fuzz - a haven for homeless harriers... (That's not a clue, I just had a whim for some alliteration) Cheers Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 I have a royal for you, but I suspect someone will recognise him very quickly. Yet another horsey herr. Shot in the back. That`s a tough one you`ve left us, Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 NF, you have found him. Robert Prager it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 NF, you have found him. Robert Prager it is. It was a couple of hours very well spent, and I must have stumbled across (and saved) at least another half-dozen interesting characters that I had previously been oblivious to. Learned a bit about the October and November revolutions too. Even when I went storming off down the wrong track earlier, it was time well spent, and a few more lights were found hiding under bushels. Another hint for my chap might be a python flavoured ice-cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 5 March , 2015 Admin Share Posted 5 March , 2015 It was a couple of hours very well spent, and I must have stumbled across (and saved) at least another half-dozen interesting characters that I had previously been oblivious to. Learned a bit about the October and November revolutions too. Even when I went storming off down the wrong track earlier, it was time well spent, and a few more lights were found hiding under bushels. Another hint for my chap might be a python flavoured ice-cream. Albert Ross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 Albert Ross? Correct, Michelle. Now what`s his German name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 5 March , 2015 Admin Share Posted 5 March , 2015 Must confess to having no idea, I just did the lateral thinking with your clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 The clue was a hint to help find him, but not his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 The clue was a hint to help find him, but not his name. NF, did your man in 2465 fly Albatrosses? Do we take it he was an ace or an air aristo? Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 Just to flesh out Robert Prager a bit more...truly a dark chapter in American History: Among the most tragic of these acts of “patriotism” was the mob lynching of Robert Prager on April 5, 1918, in Collinsville, Illinois. When war broke out with Germany, Prager felt a strong sense of loyalty to the United States. Although he had been in the country since 1905, it was the war that prompted him to apply for citizenship. He also tried unsuccessfully to join the Navy. Prager ‘s socialist-leanings and stubborn personality apparently caused him to lose at least one job. By 1917 he was working in a coal mine and had applied for union membership. At that time, a rumor was circulating around town that German agents planned to blow up the mine, with the miners still in it. Several local persons came under suspicion and were forced to publicly declare their loyalty and to kiss the American flag. As a German immigrant, Prager too was a suspect. After work on the evening of April 3, a group of miners seized Prager and paraded him through the streets of Maryville. They denounced him as a German spy and told him to leave town. Several union leaders who were tasked with determining whether or not Prager should be allowed to join the union were concerned enough about Prager’s safety that they made various plans to have him taken into protective custody by the police. But Prager refused, and instead posted around town copies of a statement he had typed up, declaring his loyalty, but also attacking the union for denying him the opportunity to make a living. After reading his statement, a group of about seventy-five miners souped up their patriotism at a local tavern, and then went to find Prager and teach him a lesson. After Prager agreed to leave town, the crowd began to disperse. But some fun-loving members of the group felt that things had ended too abruptly, and they began to urge that Prager be forced to kiss the American flag. Someone produced one, and Prager complied. Then he was told to demonstrate his loyalty by coming with them. Terrified, Prager agreed. The German-American was then dragged into the street. He was stripped down to his underwear and draped in the American flag, and then forced, barefoot, to stumble through the streets of Collinsville. At the center of town, the mob demanded that he sing the national anthem. Prager didn’t know the words, but he willingly sang another patriotic tune.At this point, some level-headed citizen called the police, who then took Prager into protective custody. They closed down all the local bars in an effort to quell the mob spirit. Instead, the mob swelled, and went to the police station where they demanded to be admitted. The police hid Prager in the basement, told the mob that he was no longer there, and opened the door to allow an Army veteran named Joseph Riegel inside to confirm the claim. When they opened the door, however, the mob swarmed in. They found Prager and took him back outside, where the mob had now reached several hundred persons. The parade continued, and the mob stopped passing cars and forced Prager to kiss the flag and sing patriotic songs to their occupants. The police followed the mob at a distance, but did nothing to stop the procession. When the mob crossed the city line, the police simply stopped following. Someone suggested Prager be tarred and feathered, and the procession halted while a fruitless search was conducted for the necessary materials. When that failed, Prager was dragged to a tree, illuminated by the headlights of three automobiles. Someone made a noose out of a tow rope. Riegel, who had a lot of pull with the crowd because of his status as a veteran, did not have enough to hoist Pragel alone. “Come on fellows, we’re all in on this, let’s not have any slackers here,” he called out. As many as fifteen grabbed the rope as someone else in the crowd suggested that everyone else at least touch the rope. Prager was pulled into the air. When their amateur efforts failed to kill him, someone suggested Prager be allowed to say something if he wanted to. After being let to the ground Prager was granted permission to write a letter. He wrote a quick goodbye to his parents. He asked for and was granted permission to pray. After asking forgiveness for his sins and once again stating his loyalty, he walked unassisted back to the tree and the rope. As the more than 200 persons looked on, Prager spoke his last words, “All right boys, go ahead and kill me, but wrap me in the flag when you bury me.” Prager was yanked back into the air and hanged. From: http://www.authentichistory.com/1914-1920/2-homefront/4-hysteria/ -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 (edited) NF, did your man in 2465 fly Albatrosses? Do we take it he was an ace or an air aristo? Pete. He did indeed, Pete. And he was an aristo as well as an ace. EDIT> Sorry my mistake. He WASN`T an ace after all, so air aristo only. Edited 5 March , 2015 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 Just to flesh out Robert Prager a bit more...truly a dark chapter in American History: Among the most tragic of these acts of “patriotism” was the mob lynching of Robert Prager on April 5, 1918, in Collinsville, Illinois. When war broke out with Germany, Prager felt a strong sense of loyalty to the United States. Although he had been in the country since 1905, it was the war that prompted him to apply for citizenship. He also tried unsuccessfully to join the Navy. Prager ‘s socialist-leanings and stubborn personality apparently caused him to lose at least one job. By 1917 he was working in a coal mine and had applied for union membership. At that time, a rumor was circulating around town that German agents planned to blow up the mine, with the miners still in it. Several local persons came under suspicion and were forced to publicly declare their loyalty and to kiss the American flag. As a German immigrant, Prager too was a suspect. After work on the evening of April 3, a group of miners seized Prager and paraded him through the streets of Maryville. They denounced him as a German spy and told him to leave town. Several union leaders who were tasked with determining whether or not Prager should be allowed to join the union were concerned enough about Prager’s safety that they made various plans to have him taken into protective custody by the police. But Prager refused, and instead posted around town copies of a statement he had typed up, declaring his loyalty, but also attacking the union for denying him the opportunity to make a living. After reading his statement, a group of about seventy-five miners souped up their patriotism at a local tavern, and then went to find Prager and teach him a lesson. After Prager agreed to leave town, the crowd began to disperse. But some fun-loving members of the group felt that things had ended too abruptly, and they began to urge that Prager be forced to kiss the American flag. Someone produced one, and Prager complied. Then he was told to demonstrate his loyalty by coming with them. Terrified, Prager agreed. The German-American was then dragged into the street. He was stripped down to his underwear and draped in the American flag, and then forced, barefoot, to stumble through the streets of Collinsville. At the center of town, the mob demanded that he sing the national anthem. Prager didn’t know the words, but he willingly sang another patriotic tune. At this point, some level-headed citizen called the police, who then took Prager into protective custody. They closed down all the local bars in an effort to quell the mob spirit. Instead, the mob swelled, and went to the police station where they demanded to be admitted. The police hid Prager in the basement, told the mob that he was no longer there, and opened the door to allow an Army veteran named Joseph Riegel inside to confirm the claim. When they opened the door, however, the mob swarmed in. They found Prager and took him back outside, where the mob had now reached several hundred persons. The parade continued, and the mob stopped passing cars and forced Prager to kiss the flag and sing patriotic songs to their occupants. The police followed the mob at a distance, but did nothing to stop the procession. When the mob crossed the city line, the police simply stopped following. Someone suggested Prager be tarred and feathered, and the procession halted while a fruitless search was conducted for the necessary materials. When that failed, Prager was dragged to a tree, illuminated by the headlights of three automobiles. Someone made a noose out of a tow rope. Riegel, who had a lot of pull with the crowd because of his status as a veteran, did not have enough to hoist Pragel alone. “Come on fellows, we’re all in on this, let’s not have any slackers here,” he called out. As many as fifteen grabbed the rope as someone else in the crowd suggested that everyone else at least touch the rope. Prager was pulled into the air. When their amateur efforts failed to kill him, someone suggested Prager be allowed to say something if he wanted to. After being let to the ground Prager was granted permission to write a letter. He wrote a quick goodbye to his parents. He asked for and was granted permission to pray. After asking forgiveness for his sins and once again stating his loyalty, he walked unassisted back to the tree and the rope. As the more than 200 persons looked on, Prager spoke his last words, “All right boys, go ahead and kill me, but wrap me in the flag when you bury me.” Prager was yanked back into the air and hanged. From: http://www.authentichistory.com/1914-1920/2-homefront/4-hysteria/ -Daniel The cover-up afterwards was even more shocking. Forgive the momentary diversion from topic, but when looking for him I came across a chap with the most gruesome fate. Not a WW1 fellow, but as I said, it`s amazing what you find. http://www.executedtoday.com/2008/07/20/1514-gyorgy-dozsa-hungary-romania-translyvania-szekely/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 The cover-up afterwards was even more shocking. Forgive the momentary diversion from topic, but when looking for him I came across a chap with the most gruesome fate. Not a WW1 fellow, but as I said, it`s amazing what you find. http://www.executedtoday.com/2008/07/20/1514-gyorgy-dozsa-hungary-romania-translyvania-szekely/ Crikey!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 He did indeed, Pete. And he was an aristo as well as an ace. Apologies. My chap was NOT an ace. He was an aviator though. Very sorry for the slip. As penance, I will give you the nod to put your money on a horse called "Gibson`s Boy". And tell you that those Australians were involved again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 5 March , 2015 Share Posted 5 March , 2015 Apologies. My chap was NOT an ace. He was an aviator though. Very sorry for the slip. As penance, I will give you the nod to put your money on a horse called "Gibson`s Boy". And tell you that those Australians were involved again. He is Prince Friedrich Karl of Prussia. Here's another aristocrat of the air. Who is he ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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