Mattr82 Posted 19 September Share Posted 19 September That would make sense. I’m not up to speed on RAF issues bayonets and saw the sale mark as quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 19 September Share Posted 19 September (edited) @Mattr82 all good mate, it’s a bit of an “unknown” topic. These bayonet have had multiple refurbishments and many years of service. Having looked at them for a while now, I believe the marking was applied to bayonets that were in stores at the time when transferred from the Army Air Corps to the Royal Air Force and henceforth were no longer “Army Property” but that is just a theory. kind regards g Edited 19 September by navydoc16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 19 September Author Share Posted 19 September 8 hours ago, navydoc16 said: @Mattr82 the “sale” marks added to likely indicate transfer from the Army to the RAF - which only part of these bayonet batches have kind regards g The rarity of these 'SOS" marks on the RAF ones makes that unlikely. But what is the CAL marking on the one bayonet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 19 September Share Posted 19 September @trajan why would be that be unlikely? Genuinely curious - for me it is the only timeline and application it makes sense Don’t know about the CAL, I have searched but to no avail kind regards George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 19 September Author Share Posted 19 September 1 hour ago, navydoc16 said: @trajan why would be that be unlikely? Simply because IIRC, very few, if any of the RAF ones I and JMB saw, have this 'SOS' mark. I think possible the SOS mark on the CAL one refers to later post-RAF use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 19 September Share Posted 19 September (edited) My first thought was that “CAL” referred to Calcutta, capital city of British India, and this is confirmed by a Google search. Of course, there could also be a home station beginning CAL but none was found in a listing of inter-wars RAF fields. So, RAF Calcutta it is. Regards, JMB EDIT: Bayos marked to a particular RAF Station are very uncommon; this one joins only RAF Leuchars and RAF Waddington that Trajan and I have recorded. Edited 19 September by JMB1943 Add info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 22 September Share Posted 22 September (edited) On 19/09/2024 at 22:59, trajan said: Simply because IIRC, very few, if any of the RAF ones I and JMB saw, have this 'SOS' mark. I think possible the SOS mark on the CAL one refers to later post-RAF use. I have seen quite a few, and also we only regularly see the RAF marking side of the pommel opposite to the SOS, hence why I believe it is so uncommon. crucially the SOS mark goes out of fashion in terms of British context in the mid 20s from examples we have. Standardly it denotes sale from the Army to another entity or country as such we have Sale to the Royal Canadian Navy and Australia it only makes sense that sos marks were applied to Army or Navy bayonets transferred to RAF - mainly as we have not seen any Royal Navy pieces with sos and RAF markings, it is more likely Army than Navy. kind regards g Edited 26 September by navydoc16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 27 September Share Posted 27 September 1E 4360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 27 September Share Posted 27 September 1C 3124 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 27 September Share Posted 27 September (edited) 1B 2165 Late war Wilkinson Pall Mall SOS and SD 3.21 - March 1921 N.R.I on the grips kind regards g Edited 27 September by navydoc16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 27 September Author Share Posted 27 September Thanks Navydoc! I am hors d'combat in the UK but I know JMB will take note. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 27 September Share Posted 27 September (edited) @trajan, Duly noted! Regards, JMB EDIT: I also have just noticed that you started this thread on this date in 2014……. Edited 27 September by JMB1943 Add info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 28 September Author Share Posted 28 September On 27/09/2024 at 15:27, JMB1943 said: @trajan EDIT: I also have just noticed that you started this thread on this date in 2014……. Time to celebrate - if you haven't been washed out of home! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 28 September Share Posted 28 September (edited) Julian, Time for both of us to celebrate (cheese, smoked back bacon etc) and other things, I hope!!!! Very little rain, but a lot of high winds and therefore a long, tiring clean-up from many small branches that came down. Still at almost 90 F and high humidity here.... Best regards, JMB Edited 28 September by JMB1943 Add info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 29 September Share Posted 29 September Here is updated list of RAF-marked Patt. 1907 bayonets. Regards, JMB Alpha-numeric 1 1 A 1 B 1 C 1 D 1 E 1 F UNK* 0681 0371*** 0140 0049 0871 0116 1113 6701 749** 0943 0993 0231 1481 0306 2103 7409 0768 1063 1594 1011 2017 0398 6802 8029 0984 1078 1601 1175 2360 0511 5 1594 1606 2165 1809 2664 0852 C/D 760X 1712 2705/6 2406 2013 3021 0897 E/F 3056 1735**** 4027 2994 2202 3515 1016 1878 4335 3157 3124 3605 1550 2279 4613 4274 3527 3713 1559 10 3114 4771 4607 3641 3822 1787 4878 6349 4650 4032 3869 2135 5003 7338 5050 4128 4360 2394 5552 7580 5059 4613 4379 2440 5806 8065 5652 5222 4480 2527 15 5809 8719 5860 5306 4586 318X 5860 6682 5398 5282 3242 6209 7112 6371 5319 3429 1/E/K/R 4541 6682 7173 6557 5375 3881 6719*** 7175 7364 5546 3991 20 6731 7448 7808 5553 4032 1/E/F 318X 7912 7625 8080 5713 4033 8353 8089 9235 5868 4042 8356 8225 9303 6021 4044 1/A/371X 9369 8238 9798 6557 4232 25 9505 8757 9911 6563 4285(L) 9957 8782 6641 4341 9996 9557 7390 4442 7486 4460 XXX2 7564 4594 30 7600 4791 8029 4840 8082 4950 8292 5018 8490 5292 35 8634 5448 9219 5476 9287 6070 9298 6206 9500 6341 40 6802 8196 28 15 27 25 39 41 3 8 = 186 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 2 October Author Share Posted 2 October Many thanks JMB! I am hoping to be out of UK and back in Turkey November from when I should be able to take a more active part in discussions... Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted Tuesday at 09:02 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:02 (edited) Just appeared on a forthcoming auction site, Sanderson, date difficult to make out, but possibly 11 13. R.A.F. 1.E. 015 Described as 'highly unususal one of less then 100 known examples'. Auction house;- Rydale Auctioneers of Kirbymoorside, York. Mke. Edited Tuesday at 09:04 by MikeyH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted Tuesday at 12:38 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:38 MikeyH, Hhhmmm…..”one of less than 100”…..wonder which Table that came from? Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted Wednesday at 22:38 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:38 JMB, A couple of photo's for the record, RAF 1E 015. I have twisted photo every which way and still not sure if something after the 5. It does not appear to be listed which ever way we look at it. Nothing on the description to help. The second, RAF 1 0769 is another with the front of pommel stamped. You have RAF 1 1068 listed which I can't see a photo of, so not sure with that last numeral if we are looking at the same bayonet. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted Wednesday at 23:15 Share Posted Wednesday at 23:15 @t.ryan, Yes, I would take that as 1E/ 015 (no additional digit), and 1/ 0769. If you don’t have a photo of 1/ 1068 that is because when Trajan and I started recording these numbers we did i not save the photos; in retrospect, probably should have! Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted yesterday at 02:45 Share Posted yesterday at 02:45 (edited) Could be an 8 but probably not clear enough to be sure kind regards g Edited yesterday at 06:34 by navydoc16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted yesterday at 04:32 Share Posted yesterday at 04:32 (edited) I just re read the Description on RAF 1 0769/8 and it says 0768 but if you magnify the number it looks 9, so it may have been mistaken before. RAF 1E 015 looks to have something there after the 5 but it is not mentioned in the description. Cheers, TR Edited yesterday at 04:32 by t.ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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