Numbers of British P.1907 bayonets surviving

[t.ryan]

JMB,

As the photo gets larger it distorts the numbers a little. The first number is to hard to call but when photo smaller the ?97 is much clearer to see, especially the tail on the 7 .

I was waiting for a better photo but could not find one. One for the parts number list only at this stage X97. 

Cheers

TR

[JMB1943]

TR, 

Thanks for the shrinkage / thinkage.

X97 it is!

Regards,

JMB

 

[t.ryan]

JMB,

If these three very clearly stamped smiling tigers check out with you, then with them; going on your latest count you should now have the 200th smiling tiger accounted for. 

Numbers 7973, 9851 and 9957 which do not appear to be listed so far.

These are all from the same source over your way

Cheers

TR

Edited 22 February , 2023 by t.ryan
Add extra info.

[JMB1943]

TR,

All three are previously unrecorded, so that does put us at 200!

I didn't think that we would get here this early in the year.

What is "the same source over my way"? Not eBay, because I check that every day.

Regards,

JMB

[t.ryan]

JMB,

Great, good to finally reach the 200.

WorthPoint. Most of them had already shown as being sold but they have accounted for quite a few on the list.

Cheers,

TR

 

 

[t.ryan]

JMB

It has been a rainy day here in more ways than one.

Now that we have the magical 200 on board, I came across a few more smiling tiger numbers today. I will give you the numbers to check out, they appear all good but I will upload the photo,s once you have checked them and ruled out any you already have.

Numbers 107, 1166, 1527, 2849, 3572, 4537, 7860 and 8712; one good litter in this lot and all reasonably clear numbers except for the 1 on the 107 bayonet.

Cheers

TR

[JMB1943]

Mr Ryan,

What a haul, talk about raining cats and dogs!

Those are all new tigers, and I think that I’ll post an updated list at the end of the month.

Probably at the end of every month if they keep coming at this rate.

Thanks for taking the time to chase down these US-based examples.

Regards,

JMB

[t.ryan]

JMB

Just happened to find these 8 all together on the same site mentioned above when I thought I would put in a search after adding those other 3 yesterday, I was surprised to see how many there were on their site.

It is worth a look, searched for "1920 Contract Siamese Bayonets", at the top of their page;  just find one of the bayonets being advertised and go to the top of their page to do a search. 

There were 3 pages of them, some numbers that you have already listed, these 8, then several more that there was no way of viewing the actual number.

Yes, It would be good to see an updated list, something to check the numbers on before we upload any more that are already listed.

Cheers 

TR

[JMB1943]

To make things easier for us all, here is the updated list; many thanks to all of the contributors! Regards, JMB

1	2011	4060	6013	8181	32xx
6	2078	4070	6107	8349	5x46
35	2133	4116	6212	8388	608x
67	2177	4150	6245	8415	808x
96	2247	4403	6285	8651	x2x2
107	2278	4496	6430	8712	xx1
330	2280	4537	6476	8714	x070
341	2339	4629	6630	8737	104x
404	2390	4651	6750	8751	x33x
427	2489	4654	6831	8793	x95
505	2533	4770	7056	8833	71x
544	2622	4803	7094	9047	158x
577	2715	5021	7143	9070	16xx
590	2815	5027	7441	9091	X97
625	2833	5044	7594	9130
649	2851	5066	7611	9185
711	2925	5225	7745	9229
732	3008	5391	7860	9296
788	3070	5405	7973	9306
836	3090	5503		9338
866	3155	5531		9412
941	3260	5757		9502
997	3290			9737
1013	3292			9792
1021	3400			9851
1115	3449			9931
1166	3454			9957
1201	3572			9968
1241	3689			10000
1306	3797
1367	3810
1431	3815
1485	3893
1527	3992
1584
1635
1758
1831
1889
1926
1980

[MrEd]

Woah excellent work everyone!!

[JMB1943]

Mr Ed,

We have a really good group here and always room for one more on safari!

Regards,

JMB

Edited 24 February , 2023 by JMB1943

[JMB1943]

I have recast the table to make it a little more user-friendly, as below. Next iteration I shall separate the 7000's from the 8000's (AND order the 9000's!!!!!).

Regards, JMB

1	1013	2011	3008	4060	5021	6013	7056	9047	32xx
6	1021	2078	3070	4070	5027	6107	7094	9070	5x46
35	1115	2133	3090	4116	5044	6137	7128	9091	608x
67	1166	2177	3155	4150	5066	6212	7143	9130	808x
96	1202	2247	3260	4335	5154	6249	7441	9185	x2x2
107	1241	2278	3290	4403	5171	6279	7594	9229	xx1
145	1306	2280	3400	4406	5221	6285	7600	9296	x070
326	1367	2339	3449	4496	5225	6339	7611	9306	104x
330	1431	2390	3454	4537	5278	6430	7745	9338	x33x
341	1485	2399	3572	4570	5351	6476	7778	9412	x95
404	1527	2411	3689	4629	5391	6485	7860	9502	71x
427	1584	2590	3797	4651	5405	6527	7948	9737	158x
505	1635	2622	3810	4654	5502	6557	7973	9792	16xx
541	1757	2702	3815	4724	5531	6581	7999	9851	X97
544	1758	2715	3893	4770	5960	6630	8262	9931	437x
577	1831	2784	3958	4779		6732	8496	9957	X400
590	1889	2815	3992	4803		6737	8262	9968
625	1926	2833		4983		6750	8089	10000
649	1980	2849				6831	8104	9088
711		2851				6847	8181	9233
714		2925					8349	9385
732							8388	9413
788							8415	9459
836							8651	9903
866							8712
941							8714
979							8737
997							8751
							8793
							8833
28	19	21	17	18	15	20	30	24	16 = 208

[Dave66]

Excellent results so far….let’s hope these numbers keep coming in.

Dave.

[t.ryan]

JMB

The list looks great and it will be much easier to spot and check any new smiling tiger numbers that show up.

I was a little miffed when you updated your first list as it looked a little light on in numbers, but that was quickly squashed when I got to the second list containing the 208 numbers.

JMB I did notice that some of the 9000 numbers have jumped the que somehow.

It has taken a while sorting out these Siamese numerals but I think we have them covered fairly well now.

Learning about Siamese numerals was not even a thought for me until a couple of years ago when I joined in on this post.

It has been a good hunt so far and I am sure there will be more to discover.

Cheers,

TR

[JMB1943]

TR,

You have every right to feel miffed!

That first update is light on numbers, but I didn’t discover that until I was doing the second update.

The problem arises from using cut-and-paste to generate the new columns.

The “cut” was 100% effective, but the “paste” was only about 70% effective.

Comparing my Excel list with the table took a very long time yesterday afternoon.

I shall give the table another tweak today to re-sequence the 9000’s.

Regards,

JMB

[JMB1943]

Mr Ryan,

Third update, and still 208 in the count!

I must have eliminated all of the operator errors.......for now.

My daughter's husband is in the Run Silent, Run Deep branch of the US Navy and they are currently stationed in Pearl Harbour.

Next week we are off to visit them for a couple of weeks, so no updated lists until end of March.

Good hunting at Bathurst Gun Show.

Regards,

JMB

1	1013	2011	3008	4060	5021	6013	7056	8262	9047	32xx
6	1021	2078	3070	4070	5027	6107	7094	8496	9070	5x46
35	1115	2133	3090	4116	5044	6137	7128	8262	9088	608x
67	1166	2177	3155	4150	5066	6212	7143	8089	9091	808x
96	1202	2247	3260	4335	5154	6249	7441	8104	9130	x2x2
107	1241	2278	3290	4403	5171	6279	7594	8181	9185	xx1
145	1306	2280	3400	4406	5221	6285	7600	8349	9229	x070
326	1367	2339	3449	4496	5225	6339	7611	8388	9233	104x
330	1431	2390	3454	4537	5278	6430	7745	8415	9296	x33x
341	1485	2399	3572	4570	5351	6476	7778	8651	9306	x95
404	1527	2411	3689	4629	5391	6485	7860	8712	9338	71x
427	1584	2590	3797	4651	5405	6527	7948	8714	9385	158x
505	1635	2622	3810	4654	5502	6557	7973	8737	9412	16xx
541	1757	2702	3815	4724	5531	6581	7999	8751	9413	X97
544	1758	2715	3893	4770	5960	6630		8793	9459	437x
577	1831	2784	3958	4779		6732		8833	9502	X400
590	1889	2815	3992	4803		6737			9737
625	1926	2833		4983		6750			9792
649	1980	2849				6831			9851
711		2851				6847			9903
714		2925							9931
732									9957
788									9968
836									10000
866
941
979
997
28	19	21	17	18	15	20	14	16	24	16 = 208

[t.ryan]

JMB

Your hard work as all payed off very well, we now have an easy (growing) list to glance through to check any newfound smiling tiger numbers against before adding.

Plenty of sad military history in Pearl Harbour to check out, enjoy your trip; hope we have a few new smiling tiger numbers for you to add on your return.

We have number 1 & number 10000; just got to fill in the gap now, Ha Ha.

Looking forward to Bathurst, have not been to a show for some time now. 

Cheers,

TR

[Phil B]

I’ve started my own tiger breeding program. A couple of interesting things about the scabbards is that some of the metal ones have the bottom piece brazed on backwards. As you can see one isn’t brazed at all and is attached with staples. The bottom one has an original leather scabbed that I was lucky to find last year. Yes there are 12 of them , sadly I only have 8 rifles at the moment but will hunt some down in the near future. The fantastic looking display board was given to me by a really good mate . And will have the leather scabbard and a bayonet with a close number mounted on it

[t.ryan]

Phil B,

You do have a good smiling tiger bayonet breeding program going, in fact I do not think we will ever see that many together in the one place again unless you are adding to and updating your collection.

You also now own 1/20th of the number of smiling tiger bayonets on JMBs newest list above; well done.

Looks like you are only in need for 2 all metal scabbards, I will keep a look out in my travels.

Your also very lucky to have scored the original leather scabbard clearly showing the smiling tiger face and number 4720 (calling the last figure 0).

I have noticed that some of the all metal scabbards have no brazing but 2 rivets holding the locket to the replacement metal tube.

Cheers 

TR

[mcb9022]

Hello all. 

This is such an interesting thread and a huge amount of work in collecting the serial numbers of existing Smiling Tiger bayonets. I found this bayonet for sale, see attached picture. As far as I can see it's a number not yet recorded, 1326 but others can confirm. 

Cheers

Mark 

[t.ryan]

mcb 9022

Number 1326 is correct and it will be a new one for for the smiling tiger list.

JMB is away at the moment but I am sure he will be pleased to have those extra eyes out there looking for any new numbers that show up.

Cheers,

TR

[mcb9022]

Good morning all.

Here is another "smiling tiger" for the database. Possibly 8079? It hasn't been registerred before in the database as far as I can see. 

Cheers

Mark

 

[t.ryan]

mcb9022

I would read that number as 4078 and it also looks to be a new number for JMB's smiling tigers list.

Looks like someone has a nice Siamese rifle and bayonet set there.

Cheers 

TR

[JMB1943]

PhilB,

Thanks for posting that great photo of your litter of 12 tigers.

I cannot enter the serials until I get home, but in the meantime would appreciate an accurate weight (in grams, if possible; I use an electronic kitchen scale) of each bayonet ( not scabbards). Trajan and I have previously looked into weights of the Patt 1907 bayonet as a measure of wartime QC. We only had about 10 smiling tigers in that group, but they were a little heavier than the regular’07 Bayonets, IIRC.

Your batch of tigers would enable us to confirm (or not) that initial observation.

Regards,

JMB

 

 

[Phil B]

From a Facebook page, this one located in the UK .

going tiger hunting on the weekend to see what I can find . Oh if my wife asks what I’m up to , the standard reply is

“I see nothing , I hear Nothing , I know nothing “

cheers Phil