Numbers of British P.1907 bayonets surviving

[tankengine888]

I've watched this thread for awhile and found a smiling tiger online.

I read it ? 903

1980 i think

Hope atleast 1 is new.. seems like an interesting project/database..

Zidane.

 

EDIT:
Mistook a ffew markings - seemed to already been present so removed to avoid clutter

 

Edited 12 June , 2023 by tankengine888

[Phil B]

Is that three of mine with the chalk?

[t.ryan]

Hi tankengine888,

Thanks for getting interested in this smiling tiger forum.

The first bayonet has been around for some time, we have not listed it because we think it looks more like a fake.

The second is #1980 and has already been listed but must of missed being updated on last list..

Cheers,

TR

[tankengine888]

Just now, t.ryan said:

Hi tankengine888,

Thanks for getting interested in this smiling tiger forum.

The first bayonet has been around for some time, we have not listed it because we think it looks more like a fake.

The second is #1980 and has already been listed but must of missed being updated on last list..

Cheers,

TR

Ah, I see. Thank you for pointing it out. I'll have to double check next time around! I was referencing the last list posted

Zidane.

[Phil B]

Just going through my guns and doing dog tags for the gun and another for the bag the bolt lives in. I hope to do tags for the bayonets when I’m finished with these . I’ll get the weights when I do the tags

Phil

[t.ryan]

Phil,

Your smiling tiger tag looks good. (Better than that fake one above). With the bayonet weights, I would just write down the bayonet numbers and write the weights beside each number, would save duplicating photos that we already have.

I do not believe any of your bayonet numbers are in the list I just added, some are new numbers and a few are from earlier posts that strayed from the last list, #1980 was another one of them. I am sure JMB will sort them out when he has a look. 

Cheers,

TR

[JMB1943]

Phil B,

Very smart-looking dog-tags they are too!

Regards,

JMB

[JMB1943]

Mr TR,

Thank goodness that you are keeping me honest!!!!!!

I sometimes wonder if I am going gaga......

Have updated the Table. Regards, JMB

1	1013	2011	3008	4060	5021	6013	7056	8262	9047	32xx
6	1021	2078	3070	4070	5027	6107	7094	8496	9070	5x46
35	1046	2133	3090	4078	5044	6137	7128	8262	9088	608x
67	1048	2177	3155	4116	5066	6212	7143	8089	9091	808x
96	1099	2247	3260	4127	5154	6249	7441	8104	9130	x2x2
107	1115	2278	3279	4150	5171	6279	7594	8181	9185	xx1
130	1118	2280	3290	4335	5221	6285	7600	8349	9229	x070
145	1166	2339	3400	4403	5225	6339	7611	8363	9233	104x
320	1202	2390	3449	4406	5278	6430	7626	8388	9288	x33x
326	1241	2399	3454	4451	5351	6476	7745	8415	9296	x95
330	1306	2411	3572	4496	5391	6485	7778	8625	9306	71x
341	1326	2590	3689	4537	5405	6527	7860	8651	9338
392	1367	2622	3797	4570	5411	6557	7948	8712	9356	16xx
404	1431	2702	3810	4629	5502	6581	7973	8714	9385	X97
427	1482	2715	3815	4632	5531	6630	7999	8726	9412	437x
456	1485	2784	3893	4650	5960	6732		8732	9413	X400
505	1527	2815	3958	4651		6737		8737	9459
541	1584	2833	3992	4654		6750		8751	9502
544	1635	2849		4724		6801		8783	9737
577	1757	2851		4770		6819		8793	9792
590	1758	2925		4779		6831		8833	9851
625	1831			4803		6847			9903
644	1860			4983					9931
649	1889								9957
711	1926								9968
714									10000
732
788
836
866
941
979
997
33	25	21	18	23	16	22	15	21	26	15 = 235

[t.ryan]

JMB,

Not sure how to tell you this but a couple of those last cat numbers escaped your new list. #1980 and #9372.   Also 2x #8262s.

That old saying "you can't herd cats," sure stands true.!!!!!.

Cheers,

TR

Edited 12 June , 2023 by t.ryan

[JMB1943]

TR,

Looks like it's time for me to fall on my sword.....

Regards,

JMB

[t.ryan]

JMB,

You cant do that; there is still a way to go yet. We are closing in on the 250 mark and gathering a few new lookers along the way.

I just realised that #5168 from last week also eluded capture on to the new list, so with those 3 numbers to add, things are looking pretty good.

Cheers,

TR,

 

 

Edited 13 June , 2023 by t.ryan

[Chasemuseum]

3 hours ago, t.ryan said:

2x #8262

Having done a lot of work in Thailand I would not put it past them to make a mistake and for two bayonets to have the same number.

 

Lovely people, but don't expect everything to work.

[t.ryan]

I think in this case, a gremlin got into the first few numbers of the 8000 list and mixed them up a bit. It is a number I do not have a photo of.

Cheers,

TR

[tankengine888]

This thread is certainly interesting, though I doubt I'll find a 'new' smiling tiger bayonet.

Questions on my end must be asked though.
Do the bayonets number above 10000? It's certainly surprising to see that 1 and 10000 have survived!

Zidane.

[t.ryan]

tankengine888,

If you go back to page 1 of this post started by JMB, and start there you will find why the post was started.

On page 10, Phil B has a video on the history of the Smiling Tiger's, it is worth looking at also.

Cheers,

TR

[JMB1943]

Mr TR,

Couldn't find a sword to fall on, so tried several of my sword-bayonets.

However, none could pierce the full suit of jousting armour that I was wearing over a coat of chain-mail.....Ned Kelly would have been proud!

Anyway, back to the listing and a re-corrected table is given below.  Regards, JMB

PS. #8262 appeared on GWF on 12-4-22; p. 14; posted by Phil B with a photo of his Tiger banner.

EDIT: NO, that was #8363; have deleted #8262 from this table, because it has never been recorded.

1	1013	2011	3008	4060	5021	6013	7056	8089	9047	32xx
6	1021	2078	3070	4070	5027	6107	7094	8104	9070	5x46
35	1046	2133	3090	4078	5044	6137	7128	8181	9088	608x
67	1048	2177	3155	4116	5066	6212	7143		9091	808x
96	1099	2247	3260	4127	5154	6249	7441	8349	9130	x2x2
107	1115	2278	3279	4150	5168	6279	7594	8363	9185	xx1
130	1118	2280	3290	4335	5171	6285	7600	8388	9229	x070
145	1166	2339	3400	4403	5221	6339	7611	8415	9233	104x
320	1202	2390	3449	4406	5225	6430	7626	8496	9288	x33x
326	1241	2399	3454	4451	5278	6476	7745	8625	9296	x95
330	1306	2411	3572	4496	5351	6485	7778	8651	9306	71x
341	1326	2590	3689	4537	5391	6527	7860	8712	9338	16xx
392	1367	2622	3797	4570	5405	6557	7948	8714	9356	X97
404	1431	2702	3810	4629	5411	6581	7973	8726	9372	437x
427	1482	2715	3815	4632	5502	6630	7999	8732	9385	X400
456	1485	2784	3893	4650	5531	6732		8737	9412
505	1527	2815	3958	4651	5960	6737		8751	9413
541	1584	2833	3992	4654		6750		8783	9459
544	1635	2849		4724		6801		8793	9502
577	1757	2851		4770		6819		8833	9737
590	1758	2925		4779		6831			9792
625	1831			4803		6847			9851
644	1860			4983					9903
649	1889								9931
711	1926								9957
714	1980								9968
732									10000
788
836
866
941
979
997
33	26	21	18	23	17	22	15	19	27	15 = 236

Edited 15 June , 2023 by JMB1943
typo

[tankengine888]

10 hours ago, JMB1943 said:

However, none could pierce the full suit of jousting armour that I was wearing over a coat of chain-mail.....Ned Kelly would have been proud!

'Ned Kelly walk into the bank a cheque all in his hand
to have a change of money now of Scott he did demand
And when that he refused him he lookin at him straight
said here my names Ned Kelly and this here mans me mate'

 

Edited 14 June , 2023 by tankengine888

[t.ryan]

JMB

Looks like you put that sword through the gremlins on your newest list, it looks a good one.

I am thinking you may have miss read the bayonet number on photo posted by Phil B on page 14 above tiger banner, it is #9363 not #9262.

At the moment I have photo's of 190 of the 222 full readable numbers on the list and a couple of part numbers.

Cheers,

TR 

 

[JMB1943]

Mr TR,

Looking at that bayonet again, and comparing it to other 9000 serials, I think that the number is actually 8363 (which is already in the Table).

What are your thoughts?

Regards,

JMB

EDIT: Just went back to p. 14 and see that you also read it then as 8363.

Edited 14 June , 2023 by JMB1943

[t.ryan]

JMB

#8363 appeared on your list which was updated Dec. 2022 the day after Phil posted the photo of it. The following list Feb. 2023 #8363 was gone and never showed again, that is why I reposted the photo of #8363 on Monday and it is now back on the latest list.

#8262 x 2, first showed up on the updated list in Feb. 2023 when #8363 was left off: I have not found where anyone bought #8262 to this post, so I am thinking we do not have any record of it at this time and is so far a non starter. 

Cheers,

TR.

[JMB1943]

Mr. Ryan,

You are on the money here!

When #8363 was first posted by Phil B, I erroneously entered it as #8262 on my master list.

Checking the master list starting in 2016 to today, I find that there is no #8262 correctly listed.

Will delete #8262 from next iteration of the Table.

Thanks again for the effort that you are putting into this project.

Regards,

JMB

 

[t.ryan]

JMB,

Just when I thought that we had found all those stray smiling tigers, another few have come to light. #1829, 2936 & 9589, they are all new to the list.

I can't say the same for the RAF marked bayonets, I continue searching but have had no recent luck in finding a new one. The search will continue tho.

Cheers,

TR 

Not sure why photo's have dropped down the page, uploaded same as usual.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 June , 2023 by t.ryan
Photo problem

[JMB1943]

Mr. Ryan,

Do you have a shed at the bottom of the garden, with Santa’s elves knocking these out on demand?

All duly recorded, so thanks for these three.

You are right about the RAF Bayonets, they seem to have dried up; obviously a second shed is needed……..

Regards,

JMB

[Phil B]

Good evening Gentlemen,

apparently I’ve been sitting on a number that I was in aware of until Terry pointed it out while helping me with my tagging project. So here is 6274 for the register 

number 14 is on its way to me in the post however it is already entered.

cheers Phil 

[Phil B]

Here are the Weights of 13 bayonets  and ive also weighed a Pallmall/ Wilkinson and a ,Chapman , and Remington for reference.

i was able to identify one maker on the Siamese list and trying to get the rest through a non distructive methord in the future

serial No	Condition	Weight	maker
1482	good	500	?
3070	poor	490	?
4724	good	500	?
5221	good	520	wilkenson
6274	fair	500	?
7128	good	500	?
7600	good	510	?
7626	good	520	?
8089	good	515	?
8496	fair	500	?
9130	good	520	?
9233	good	490	?
9385	fair	490	?
			Chapman 515 Remingto 475  pallmall  495 Cheers Phil