Numbers of British P.1907 bayonets surviving

[t.ryan]

JMB

Thanks for the updated list, so much easier to follow now.

I did have a photo of #4803 from the UK website.

We also have a very clear photo of both #9903 and #9908.

There are at least 3 chromed ones to date, #s 3070, 4570 & 7214. Phil is probably out feeding all those smiling tiger cats in his personal cat collection !!!.

From the photos that are available, I note that there are a scattered bunch in the 3000s that show signs of original stampings still showing under the Siamese #s, same in the 6000 series. These two series account for most of the over stamped numbers. 

Cheers,

TR

[JMB1943]

TR,

Thank you for checking the photos; so, no pattern of numbers with the chromed examples.

I'll add #9903 right now, so as to start the 4th quarter right.

Up-up-dated register here.

Regards,

JMB

1	1013	2011	3008	4060	5021	6013	7056	8089	9047	32xx
6	1021	2078	3022	4070	5027	6014	7094	8104	9070	5x46
35	1046	2106	3070	4078	5044	6107	7128	8181	9088	608x
67	1048	2133	3090	4116	5066	6137	7143	8262	9091	808x
96	1099	2177	3155	4127	5154	6212	7187	8349	9130	x2x2
107	1115	2247	3260	4150	5168	6249	7214	8363	9185	xx1
130	1118	2278	3279	4335	5171	6279	7441	8388	9229	x070
145	1166	2280	3290	4378	5221	6285	7594	8415	9233	104x
320	1202	2339	3372	4403	5225	6339	7600	8496	9264	x33x
326	1241	2390	3395	4406	5278	6430	7611	8594	9288	x95
330	1306	2399	3400	4451	5351	6476	7626	8625	9296	71x
341	1326	2411	3449	4454	5391	6485	7745	8651	9306	16xx
392	1367	2418	3454	4496	5405	6527	7778	8712	9337	X97
404	1431	2529	3572	4537	5411	6557	7860	8714	9338	437x
427	1482	2590	3673	4570	5502	6581	7948	8726	9356	X400
456	1485	2622	3682	4629	5531	6630	7973	8732	9372	298x
505	1527	2675	3689	4632	5603	6732	7999	8737	9383
516	1584	2702	3797	4650	5960	6737		8751	9385
541	1635	2715	3810	4651		6750		8783	9412
544	1658	2784	3815	4654		6801		8793	9413
577	1757	2815	3816	4724		6819		8832	9458
590	1758	2833	3893	4770		6831		8833	9459
625	1761	2849	3958	4779		6847			9499
644	1829	2851	3992	4803					9502
649	1831	2925		4983					9559
711	1860	2936							9589
714	1889								9903
732	1926								9908
788	1980								9968
827									10,000
836
866
941
979
997
35	29	26	24	25	18	23	17	22	30	16 = 265

[trajan]

It would be interesting to know how this disposal business worked. I can see how a metal company might buy old bayonets for recycling, but many of these ones 'escaped' to the second-hand market fortunately for us collectors. I know that some USA companies bought up 'redundant military stuff for onward sale,  but I would not have thought that bayonets were an exactly sellable commodity except to collectors.

Julian

Edited 7 October , 2023 by trajan

[ScottN]

I thought I added this one but not on list. 

[t.ryan]

ScottN

It is good to see a new number, I do not remember seeing it before so thanks for adding.

JMB, I just checked the list for this new one and I noticed that there are several of the later 9000 numbers missing off the latest list #s 9737, 9792, 9851, 9931, and 9957. That darn gremlin has been at it again !!!.

Cheers,

TR.

[JMB1943]

Scott, thanks for the new serial, much appreciated!

Mr Ryan, thanks for doing the follow-up and spotting those serials that I seem to lose very readily!

I like to blame it on the cut ‘n’ paste that I use to add new serials, but at the end of the day it is operator error.

I have always been a fan of the Roman Empire, so where is that sword-bayonet for me to fall on?

I will update the register this weekend.

Regards,

JMB

Edited 21 October , 2023 by JMB1943
typo

[JMB1943]

Up-up-dated register of Siamese Patt. 1907 bayonets.

Again, thanks to everybody for contributing so well to this project, especially TR for keeping me honest!

Regards,

JMB

1	1013	2011	3008	4060	5021	6013	7056	8089	9047	32xx
6	1021	2078	3022	4070	5027	6014	7094	8104	9070	5x46
35	1046	2106	3070	4078	5044	6107	7128	8181	9088	608x
67	1048	2133	3090	4116	5066	6137	7143	8262	9091	808x
96	1099	2177	3155	4127	5154	6212	7187	8349	9130	x2x2
107	1115	2247	3260	4150	5168	6249	7214	8363	9185	xx1
130	1118	2278	3279	4335	5171	6279	7441	8388	9229	x070
145	1166	2280	3290	4378	5221	6285	7594	8415	9233	104x
320	1202	2339	3372	4403	5225	6339	7600	8496	9264	x33x
326	1241	2390	3395	4406	5278	6430	7611	8594	9288	x95
330	1306	2399	3400	4451	5351	6476	7626	8625	9296	71x
341	1326	2411	3449	4454	5391	6485	7745	8651	9306	16xx
392	1367	2418	3454	4496	5405	6527	7778	8712	9337	X97
404	1431	2529	3572	4537	5411	6557	7860	8714	9338	437x
427	1482	2590	3673	4570	5502	6581	7948	8726	9356	X400
456	1485	2622	3682	4629	5531	6630	7973	8732	9372	298x
505	1527	2675	3689	4632	5603	6732	7999	8737	9383
516	1584	2702	3797	4650	5960	6737		8751	9385
541	1635	2715	3810	4651		6750		8783	9412
544	1658	2784	3815	4654		6801		8793	9413
577	1757	2815	3816	4724		6819		8832	9458
590	1758	2833	3893	4770		6831		8833	9459
625	1761	2849	3958	4779		6847			9499
644	1829	2851	3992	4803					9502
649	1831	2925		4983					9559
711	1860	2936							9589
714	1889								9737
732	1926								9792
788	1980								9851
827									9903
836									9908
866									9931
941									9957
979									9968
997									9973
									9993
									10,000
35	29	26	24	25	18	23	17	22	36	16 = 271

[Dave66]

One just popped up on a site I regularly monitor, apologies if it’s already been reported,

https://www.jdrmilitaria.co.uk/product/siamese-type-62-bayonet-converted-from-1907-smle-wild-tiger-corps/

Dave.

[JMB1943]

Hello Dave,

Yes, keeping eyes on the usual suspects will often pay off!

I read this serial as 134 (8?), a little murky with that grease on the ricasso; what do you think?

Certainly a new serial for the list.

Regards,

JMB

 

[Dave66]

1 hour ago, JMB1943 said:

Hello Dave,

Yes, keeping eyes on the usual suspects will often pay off!

I read this serial as 134 (8?), a little murky with that grease on the ricasso; what do you think?

Certainly a new serial for the list.

Regards,

JMB

 

Excellent, can’t help with the numbering I’m afraid but happy to report any I see.

Best wishes all,

Dave.

[t.ryan]

JMB, Dave66,

Smiling tiger # 1348 looks correct to me. That is a good site which has produced a few numbers for the list already.

Cheers,

TR

 

[Dave66]

1 minute ago, t.ryan said:

JMB, Dave66,

Smiling tiger # 1348 looks correct to me. That is a good site which has produced a few numbers for the list already.

Cheers,

TR

 

I saw him last Sunday as he was stalling out at the fair…..very nice varied Stock but I could in all honesty spend a small fortune with him.

Thanks for confirming number,

Dave.

[t.ryan]

JMB

A much needed wet day today so doing a bit more detective work.

Back on the 1/8/23, page 23, Matthewsq supplied a photo of a smiling tiger which was not to clear, he mentioned he would update a better photo later.

I noticed that he has not been back in touch, so I checked out his original photo.

The photo needed to be flipped first, I cannot make out the first number but believe that the other numbers are X694 or x684. 

One for the unfinish list at the moment, we may see a better photo later. I think it may be 3 tho, 

Cheers,

TR

Edited 27 October , 2023 by t.ryan
Add extra info.

[MikeyH]

A P1907 Smiling Tiger is up for auction in the U.K. in a timed sale. Only one overall photo included in the description.  The auction blurb, says it is numbered 2642 in Thai numerals.  This is the one I previously posted about on the 27th April.  It then had a conflict in the serial number either 2462/2642  Was sold for £60, now estimated at £150 to £200.

Mike.

JMB, don't think we can rely on this as new entry to the listing.

[JMB1943]

Mike,

You are right about this being a bit iffy…….but at least, with 60 then / 150 now, inflation is real!

Regards,

JMB

[tankengine888]

On 27/10/2023 at 18:01, t.ryan said:

JMB

A much needed wet day today so doing a bit more detective work.

Back on the 1/8/23, page 23, Matthewsq supplied a photo of a smiling tiger which was not to clear, he mentioned he would update a better photo later.

I noticed that he has not been back in touch, so I checked out his original photo.

The photo needed to be flipped first, I cannot make out the first number but believe that the other numbers are X694 or x684. 

One for the unfinish list at the moment, we may see a better photo later. I think it may be 3 tho, 

Cheers,

TR

Does this help?

[t.ryan]

tankengine888,

Afraid not. With a bit of luck, Matthewsq may revisit this post soon and give us a much clearer photo. Thanks for trying tho. 

Cheers,

TR. 

[Phil B]

On 02/11/2023 at 09:52, t.ryan said:

tankengine888,

Afraid not. With a bit of luck, Matthewsq may revisit this post soon and give us a much clearer photo. Thanks for trying tho. 

Cheers,

TR. 

[t.ryan]

Gooday Phil,

Did you score the all metal scabbard on eBay the other day.

We already have that last one listed; # 8714, I rotated photo it for easier reading and describing numbers on these to bayonets.

The one in question is what I am thinking is # 7694, but a few ??s there. This is the clearest photo I have been able to make of it so far by changing a few shades of colour.

Looking at these 2 photo's, the top one of which is very clear # 8714.

The first # on the bottom photo appears to have the same shape as the 7 on the top photo.

The second # on bottom photo is a clear enough # 6.

The third # on the bottom photo appears to be # 9, which is an extension of the # 8 on the photo above.

The fourth # on the bottom photo is a clear enough # 4.

#7694

Any other detectives out there with their thoughts.

Cheers,

TR

Edited 5 November , 2023 by t.ryan
Add extra info.

[Phil B]

1 hour ago, t.ryan said:

Gooday Phil,

Did you score the all metal scabbard on eBay the other day.

We already have that last one listed; # 8714, I rotated photo it for easier reading and describing numbers on these to bayonets.

The one in question is what I am thinking is # 7694, but a few ??s there. This is the clearest photo I have been able to make of it so far by changing a few shades of colour.

Looking at these 2 photo's, the top one of which is very clear # 8714.

The first # on the bottom photo appears to have the same shape as the 7 on the top photo.

The second # on bottom photo is a clear enough # 6.

The third # on the bottom photo appears to be # 9, which is an extension of the # 8 on the photo above.

The fourth # on the bottom photo is a clear enough # 4.

#7694

Any other detectives out there with their thoughts.

Cheers,

TR

The eBay scabbard went for a king Rama ransom so I let it go . Hope a new litter of kittens comes up soon as I need 2 more to round up to 20 . I’m afraid I may be in part responsible for the price increases from the interest generated by the YouTube videos and posts on Facebook. 

but the hunt must go on,

cheers Phil 
 

[JMB1943]

Mr TR,

I like your method of comparison to get at the unknown serial!

However, although 694 is clear enough, for me the first numeral is not.

At this point it would best be entered as x694.

Regards,

JMB

[Andrew Upton]

Terrible listing with no close up of the marks etc, but another one in an upcoming auction and supposedly numbered 2642, which doesn't appear to be on the list if correct:

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/timeline-auctions-limited/catalogue-id-srtime10108/lot-f628c617-5468-4661-9e45-b0ab00f02ded?utm_source=sr-trigger&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=watchlistfollowup&utm_term=20231107&utm_content=clerk-recommendations-lot1&clerk_product=F628C617-5468-4661-9E45-B0AB00F02DED&clerk_labels=TSR+Watchlist+Follow+Up+New+Design&clerk_api=recommendations*keywords&clerk_n=1&clerk_external=1&clerk_email=gAAAAABlSisVUBQAJ4uRz9cPC8IsSjL6kB7gG2bDP_Vx7hIMMoy0R6OnCVoMDaW1KAV_gwzfRA2yQeQSZec3nd8bQZ2h1w_bOW09hZuT3vGsvGSjBUA_lmM%3D

Edited 7 November , 2023 by Andrew Upton

[MikeyH]

48 minutes ago, Andrew Upton said:

Terrible listing with no close up of the marks etc, but another one in an upcoming auction and supposedly numbered 2642, which doesn't appear to be on the list if correct:

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/timeline-auctions-limited/catalogue-id-srtime10108/lot-f628c617-5468-4661-9e45-b0ab00f02ded?utm_source=sr-trigger&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=watchlistfollowup&utm_term=20231107&utm_content=clerk-recommendations-lot1&clerk_product=F628C617-5468-4661-9E45-B0AB00F02DED&clerk_labels=TSR+Watchlist+Follow+Up+New+Design&clerk_api=recommendations*keywords&clerk_n=1&clerk_external=1&clerk_email=gAAAAABlSisVUBQAJ4uRz9cPC8IsSjL6kB7gG2bDP_Vx7hIMMoy0R6OnCVoMDaW1KAV_gwzfRA2yQeQSZec3nd8bQZ2h1w_bOW09hZuT3vGsvGSjBUA_lmM%3D

Andrew,

I already highlighted this one, a week or so ago.  But was unable to do the link.  When previously auctioned a few months ago, there was a identity doubt over the number either 2462 or 2642, needs a close up to verify.

Mike.

Edited 7 November , 2023 by MikeyH

[Phil B]

This turned up on one of my Facebook feeds 260euros if anyone wants it. The scabbard isn’t correct and the bayonet is in let us just say , less than pristine. Hope some more turn up soon. Looking forward to cracking 300 and onwards 

cheers from the colonies 

phil 

[JMB1943]

Hello Phil,

Thanks for this one——3349.

Glad to see that you wild colonial boys still have your eyes open!!!

My feeling now is that getting to 300 is not going to be easy.

Regards,

JMB