roel22 Posted 3 April , 2017 Share Posted 3 April , 2017 This is a 1918 trench map from the area between Ypres and Kemmel. Can anybody tell me what the 3 marked symbols mean? No. 2 appears to be some sort of gun, but what is the difference with other guns without a circle? Roel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 3 April , 2017 Share Posted 3 April , 2017 If you haven't seen it before you, could try this link which seems to be to a relevant publication: https://www.scribd.com/document/172393380/German-French-Map-Symbols. I say "seems to be" because you need to sign in and I'm a bit short of time so haven't actually used it. Might be worth a look however. Good luck! Cheers, Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roel22 Posted 3 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2017 Thanks Pat, a great source! No. 2 appears to be an anti aircraft-gun. I'm still puzzled about no. 1 (machine gun?) and no. 3... Roel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 3 April , 2017 Share Posted 3 April , 2017 (edited) At a guess I'd say no.3 is a mine crater or quarry, perhaps fortified (dotted line around it)? Cheers, Pat. Edit: I agree some kind of machine-gun nest, pillbox or strongpoint is certainly plausible for no.2, but we'll probably need an expert to identify that symbol. Edited 3 April , 2017 by Pat Atkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 3 April , 2017 Share Posted 3 April , 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, roel22 said: This is a 1918 trench map from the area between Ypres and Kemmel. Can anybody tell me what the 3 marked symbols mean? No. 2 appears to be some sort of gun, but what is the difference with other guns without a circle? You might like a copy of this, full size version here. Not sure if it helps. Can you post a larger/clearer version of just the symbols in question? Howard Edited 3 April , 2017 by Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roel22 Posted 3 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2017 (edited) I'd agree no. 3 is a crater. Checking modern day maps I think it's Spanbroekmolen crater. The 1918 map says "Nachschubkommando": Nachschub = supplies. There still are remains of a German bunker at this spot. That leaves no. 1: I've added a larger version. Edited 3 April , 2017 by roel22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 6 April , 2017 Share Posted 6 April , 2017 (edited) Minenwerfer (Or a version of anyway... German (and French/Belgian/American and Austrian) trench map symbols appear to vary dependant upon who printed it, where, when, what scale and why!) Dave Edited 6 April , 2017 by CROONAERT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 6 April , 2017 Share Posted 6 April , 2017 17 minutes ago, CROONAERT said: ...Or a version of anyway... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 8 April , 2017 Share Posted 8 April , 2017 My German (which isn't great) can't get beyond wing as a translation of Flügel - is something lost in translation? Cheers, Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 April , 2017 Share Posted 8 April , 2017 (edited) On 4/6/2017 at 15:25, CROONAERT said: ... 1 hour ago, Pat Atkins said: My German (which isn't great) can't get beyond wing as a translation of Flügel Not my field but a Flügel is also a fin, and so possibly a granatenwerfer or trench mortar firing finned rounds, rather like a modern mortar bomb? Edited 8 April , 2017 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 April , 2017 Share Posted 8 April , 2017 How about an "IKO 24cm Schwerer Flugelminenwerfer - The IKO 24 cm Schwerer Flugelminenwerfer was the standard German heavy mortar in the last half of World War I."??? See e.g., http://en.rcamuseum.com/our-collection/iko-240cm-schwerer-flugelminenwerfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 8 April , 2017 Share Posted 8 April , 2017 Apologies... I should maybe have posted the whole section , but thought it was obvious that I was referring to Flügel minenwerfer as it was linked to my previous post! Just for interest, it is listed as heavier than a 'Schwerer' minenwerfer that has its own symbol (as does the 'mittel' and 'leichte') Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roel22 Posted 9 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 9 April , 2017 Thanks Dave, for solving the mystery! I assumed it was a machine gun, because the German war diaries mention a concrete machine gun-post which caused many casualties here on 14 may 1918. Roel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mebu Posted 10 April , 2017 Share Posted 10 April , 2017 Here's some standard signs. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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