4thGordons Posted 11 June , 2018 Share Posted 11 June , 2018 (edited) Quite by chance I just found another variant which means each of my Lebel/Berthier rifles has a bayonet now - and also shows the major variants. I have not yet found a Remington produced bayonet, nor do I have one from which the quillon has been removed (at least I don't think so - unless it was a very neat job the middle one theoretically might be - as it has a nickle silver handle and no quillon but it also has a later, oval button, and wrong shaped base) The new addition is the one at the top with an iron/steel handle. 1 Nickle-Silver(Maillechort)round button, quillon 2 Brass (Laiton) round button quillon 3 Nickle-Silver, oval button No quillon 4 Brass, oval button No quillon 5 Cast Iron/Steel? oval button No quillon Chris Edited 11 June , 2018 by 4thGordons caption spacing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 11 June , 2018 Share Posted 11 June , 2018 Nice line-up Chris - the different colouration of the handles makes for some interesting collecting.! Good luck with the Remington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 11 June , 2018 Author Share Posted 11 June , 2018 1 hour ago, shippingsteel said: Nice line-up Chris - the different colouration of the handles makes for some interesting collecting.! Good luck with the Remington. Thanks. Hope you are well. Yes, the Remington may be a challenge! (they were sold paired with the rifles back in the US according to period ads) so I guess they are out there but it will be blind luck to find one. One with a quillon removed should be possible I think. There are lots of shortened ones out there M1886/93/16/35 I believe, so I should probably pick one of those up for completeness' sake. I am (accidentally) building up a reasonable selection of French bayonets - gives me the excuse to look for their accompanying rifles. The 8mm Lebel Rolling Block etc Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N White Posted 11 June , 2018 Share Posted 11 June , 2018 Did someone say Remington? I'm quite jealous of the steel one... Nice find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 12 June , 2018 Share Posted 12 June , 2018 4 hours ago, 4thGordons said: I am (accidentally) building up a reasonable selection of French bayonets - gives me the excuse to look for their accompanying rifles. The 8mm Lebel Rolling Block etc I think your collecting the wrong type bayonets (ie. epee) to go with the Rolling Block. Won't you need a sword-bayonet for that one.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 June , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 June , 2018 1 hour ago, shippingsteel said: I think your collecting the wrong type bayonets (ie. epee) to go with the Rolling Block. Won't you need a sword-bayonet for that one.? yes...and I have one -- now just need to find the rifle I also have a Gras bayonet and 3 Berthier bayonets.....like I said, accidental French accumulation! Just so long as I stay away from those Germanic things....far too complex for me. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 12 June , 2018 Share Posted 12 June , 2018 (edited) Yes I keep running in to them by "accident" as well ... it's not that I want them, but they keep following me home.! It's like they are "by-catch" ... so what can you do, haha. Like this bunch shown below that I picked up in a job lot at an auction. They just came in the bundles, with only the photos to go by. Anyways I struck gold that day with a mint P1903 in original scabbard, plus a Remington Lebel at the top there, together with an extremely rare M1905 variation, uncut but with darkened blade for the Pacific war. "Life is like a box of chocolates - you never know what your gonna get" Edited 12 June , 2018 by shippingsteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 June , 2018 Share Posted 12 June , 2018 20 hours ago, 4thGordons said: ... nor do I have one from which the quillon has been removed (at least I don't think so - unless it was a very neat job the middle one theoretically might be - as it has a nickle silver handle and no quillon but it also has a later, oval button, and wrong shaped base) The new addition is the one at the top with an iron/steel handle. 1 Nickle-Silver(Maillechort)round button, quillon 2 Brass (Laiton) round button quillon 3 Nickle-Silver, oval button No quillon 4 Brass, oval button No quillon 5 Cast Iron/Steel? oval button No quillon 11 hours ago, 4thGordons said: ... I also have a Gras bayonet and 3 Berthier bayonets.....like I said, accidental French accumulation! Just so long as I stay away from those Germanic things....far too complex for me. I recenlty parted company with almost all my Lebels - room and more pertinently cash needed (problems of young kids, education to pay for!), but among them was a quillon removed. Mine still had the curve visible at the head of the now lost quillon (see below), and a new serial on the base - your 'possible' one lacks that curve so sorry, not a quillon removed... Other 'regular' non-quillon examples with a nickel-silver handle are known - either re-builds or using up stock. (The one I sold was a nice one - shrapnel or bullet damage had taken away part of the grip... But the cash from it paid for a nice S.71 with scabbard and helped with school fees so musn't complain!) Germanic things ARE complex, but lots of varieties! I can't collect the rifles, but such an interesting ranges of types and makers - and that is without getting into the Ersatz! I am still working through the 98/05's... Over 30 makers... Never mind the years - I just work on Waffenfabrik ones for that category... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 June , 2018 Share Posted 12 June , 2018 (edited) Forgot to say - I kept all my three Berthier types as they don't take up so much room! My lebels now down to a single nickel-silver example (well, I think one only - there might be some more lurking in the spare suitcases!). Gras also on their way out (including my Hellenised ones), but I will keep one of each type for the sake of 'auld lang syne'! Edited 12 June , 2018 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 June , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 June , 2018 You reminded me! I do have another one.... I suppose with the judicious application of an angle grinder and I could cross the quillon removed off the list ! This one I have had for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 15 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 15 September , 2018 One to file under "even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut" I believe I have added a Remington produced bayonet to my line up... Both it and the scabbard totally unmarked, in excellent unissued/unused condition and the grip profile fits (straight lead out on handle - compare with others above) so unless one of the resident experts tells me different I'm calling this gap filled! Just the "quillon removed" variant to go! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 9 October , 2018 Share Posted 9 October , 2018 Certainly looks to be the real thing! If unmarked, though, doesn't that mean it stayed in the USA? Not trying to dampen your evident joy at finding this, which I happily share, but that is my understanding. This would also - perhaps - explain pristine condition? Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 9 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2018 Based on my recollection of Mercaldo (Allied Rifle Contracts in America) I think the majority of Remington produced rifles and bayonets were undelivered an dstayed in the US. It certainly seems to be the case that most surviving examples (many of which are in excellent condition and un serialled). just a HQR example to go! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 19 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Well 19 months later - still no HQR version but I did just find a semi-relic "Epee-Baionette de Gendarmerie Modele 90." or perhaps the "Épée-baïonnette modèle 1902 'indochinoise' " (This previous thread discusses) Mine has the fully curved quillon and is blade length is 390mm but is missing the button/latch and is quite badly corroded (I will wipe over with oil immediately) So still got the HQR to go.... Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 21 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 21 September , 2020 (edited) Hooorah! 2 years on and I have the basic set... surprisingly the variant which has had the hooked quillon removed proved to be the hardest to find! I paid a little over the odds for this given the condition and absence of scabbard, I think most of the rusty coloured spots will come off with a little 3 in one and some bronze wool. (Now I suppose I better get one of the German modified ones and the /35 variant just for completeness' sake....) This one also appears to have a small anchor mark on it which I assume indicates Naval/Marine issue (or perhaps conversion at a naval works?) At some point I will assemble them all together for a family portrait. Chris Edited 21 September , 2020 by 4thGordons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 22 September , 2020 Share Posted 22 September , 2020 M1886/93 designation is typical on rifles, on bayonets are the removed hook or production wout hook declared as M1886/15 for Berthier M07/15 rifle or for M16 5 round variation, the last one was made from M1886 by cut of hook. nice conversion. The anchor stamp could be too a colonial unit, not only Navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 26 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 26 September , 2020 Group shots of the selection so far: I am missing the original 1892 bayonet with the original thinner muzzle ring but have both types of grips with full quillon and cut/short quillon. I'm not quite sure how this collection developed but now I don't have enough rifles/carbines for the bayonets! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 27 September , 2020 Share Posted 27 September , 2020 Very nice collection of french bayonets, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 30 September , 2020 Share Posted 30 September , 2020 Very nice indeed! I had to let my French bayonets go (space!) but kept samples of the Rosalies and the full range of Berthiers (well, its only three of them!). Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 October , 2020 Share Posted 1 October , 2020 Well Chris, Very nice collection, Now all you need is a bunch of rifles and carbines to fit on the end of all those nice bayonets🤪😂👍 I have few French Bayonets, Chasspot, Gras, Lebel, Berthier. Maybe 6-7 in all. Are you the one who posted a huge pile of Gras bayonets as well?? On French bayonet collecting, I see many adverts of Chasspot and Gras with matching scabbards, But do French collectors also collect Chasspot’s just for German Unit markings? Would a Chasspot with matching numbers AND matching German unit marking be a premium.? Just a humble collector still learning and know little on French? Thanks. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 1 October , 2020 Share Posted 1 October , 2020 2 hours ago, Steve1871 said: ... Now all you need is a bunch of rifles and carbines to fit on the end of all those nice bayonets🤪😂👍 Don't worry Steve, he probably has duplicates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 October , 2020 Share Posted 1 October , 2020 Bet you are right Julian! I only have 2 problems spending ( too much) saving (too little)🥺 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 1 October , 2020 Author Share Posted 1 October , 2020 11 hours ago, Steve1871 said: Well Chris, Very nice collection, Now all you need is a bunch of rifles and carbines to fit on the end of all those nice bayonets🤪😂👍 Cramped quarters so difficult to get a proper shot but: Currently two Lebel rifles, 3 Berthier Rifles,(2x07/15, m16) and 4 Carbines (1892, converted 07/15 and 2xM16) Missing an early Berthier Cavlary/Curassier carbine (not fitted for bayonet) and a 1902 (Indochinois) or 1907 (Senegalese) Berthier rifle I also have a Turkish converted Berthier (aka "forestry carbine") but that is not fitted for a bayonet either. 11 hours ago, Steve1871 said: Are you the one who posted a huge pile of Gras bayonets as well?? No I believe that was NWhite (?) who had the impressive Gras selection. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 October , 2020 Share Posted 1 October , 2020 That is Impressive! Thanks would you mind too much, when you have spare time to arrange a line up of a few photo’s of your bayonets lined up Attached to your rifles. I am guilty as well, but most of us who collect rifles AND bayonets, simply show bayonets by themselves, not attached to their rifles. Show case your bayonets with the rifle muzzles gives a different perspective most of us do not usually see. Thanks again Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free1954 Posted 3 October , 2020 Share Posted 3 October , 2020 very nice indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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