SiegeGunner Posted 1 November , 2018 Share Posted 1 November , 2018 (edited) 'Bobs' … Field Marshal Lord Roberts Edited 1 November , 2018 by SiegeGunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted 1 November , 2018 Share Posted 1 November , 2018 W G Grace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 1 November , 2018 Share Posted 1 November , 2018 Hi, don´t know if this counts, but the name is famous: Prinz Friedrich Karl von Preussen. He was the great-great son of King Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia and active pilot, shot down by Lt. Pickthorn on 21st March of 1917. He crash-landed and was mortally wounded trying to reach his lines. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 1 November , 2018 Share Posted 1 November , 2018 I doubt very much that they're complete, but Wikipedia has list of deaths (and births) of well known people throughout the war years: 1914 1915 1916 1917 1918 Similarly on thefamouspeople.com but with the benefit of pictures 1914 1915 1916 1917 1918 NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 1 November , 2018 Share Posted 1 November , 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, sassenach said: W G Grace Not that WG Grace clearly, alhough he died during the war? Edited 1 November , 2018 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 I rather like the CWGC idea that all are equal in death and each are given the same respect. Titled VC holder or ASC driver. They died for their country Looking for 'celebrities' is adding one of the worst aspects of 21st C society to something that has huge dignity. Not required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalyback Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 1 hour ago, Gunner Bailey said: I rather like the CWGC idea that all are equal in death and each are given the same respect. Titled VC holder or ASC driver. They died for their country Looking for 'celebrities' is adding one of the worst aspects of 21st C society to something that has huge dignity. Not required. It is seen as a "grab" or "hook" for teachers and others. If it generates further interest in the subject so be it. We all have our own men we have interest in. Each man has his story to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 I was just in the process of posting this Scalyback. Perhaps ‘looking for celebrities’ is another way of learning and utilising our freedom of thought, speech etc which all those who fought, died, survived provided for us. It isn’t new as can be seen by the info already out there and on this forum. It is interesting to many to read just who was involved and if just one bit of ‘celebrity’ research alerts others to learn and remember then that is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 31 minutes ago, Scalyback said: It is seen as a "grab" or "hook" for teachers and others. If it generates further interest in the subject so be it. We all have our own men we have interest in. Each man has his story to tell. It perpetuates the theory that celebrities are more important than others. I have rejoiced in the the fact that the equality of the war graves stands as an example to all others of the fact that the death of one person serving their country is not more important than another. The only people entitled to see one as more important than others are the relatives who bore the loss at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalyback Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 14 minutes ago, Gunner Bailey said: It perpetuates the theory that celebrities are more important than others. I have rejoiced in the the fact that the equality of the war graves stands as an example to all others of the fact that the death of one person serving their country is not more important than another. The only people entitled to see one as more important than others are the relatives who bore the loss at the time. Even with technology today the current generation of children find it hard to identify any man served connected to them. This is due to various reasons, so again I do see it as something a child can identify with. I'm not saying in anyway one man is more important than another. It is just easier to "tell the tale" of some men than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 12 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: Not that WG Grace clearly, alhough he died during the war? He is said to have died of a heart attack caused by shaking his fist at a German bomber. Isn't there a subtle difference between what we mean by "celebrities" today (ghastly, I agree) and what might have been regarded as "famous people" a hundred years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 Especially true if most of the people named here also carry an explantion of who they were and what they were famous for. Surely not needed if universally or even only nationally known still today. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 And they were usually famous for something they had done, which is not the case with today's "celebrities," most of whom are famous for being famous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 2 hours ago, Gunner Bailey said: I rather like the CWGC idea that all are equal in death and each are given the same respect. Titled VC holder or ASC driver. They died for their country Looking for 'celebrities' is adding one of the worst aspects of 21st C society to something that has huge dignity. Not required ], i agree , whether famous or not all men who died deserve the same respect. WWhat is this type of list adding to the GWF knowledge base? It strikes me as being along the lines of tv show Pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 3 minutes ago, johnboy said: all men who died deserve the same respect. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 3 minutes ago, sassenach said: I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. It is a list of famous people so sets them aside, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medaler Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 (edited) Interesting debate this, about if "famous" is something that we should even consider. I have come to the conclusion that it is important, but only from the viewpoint that such a list has the potential to make me stop and say "I didn't know that". The tricky bit is perhaps how you define famous. Sons of the famous surely shouldn't count? - though I would still find that interesting! I am comfortable with holding that view whilst still subscribing to the view that the CWGC ethos of equality in death is the most fitting and respectful approach. Having said that, do they really follow that through? - Why mention rank? How about being famous because of their place in the story of the war? - should they count? or is that missing the point? - Like... Captain Fryatt Edith Cavell Regards, Mike Edited 2 November , 2018 by Medaler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Maria Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 I personally think this topic is interesting , albeit limited by the reasons I gave earlier . I do agree that the recent trend of picking a man out to fit certain groups 'agendas' is rather tiresome . There were two classic examples of it in the rather dire documentary '100 days to victory' last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, johnboy said: It is a list of famous people so sets them aside, Quite on the contrary, in my humble opinion. It includes them, as it shows that even famous and therefore often privileged members of society who would otherwise be granted a special status that seperated them from the rest and who (sometimes) profit(ed) from this, nonetheless paid the same price and sacrificed their lives because they took the responsibilty upon them to defend it. GreyC Edited 2 November , 2018 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 1 hour ago, sassenach said: He is said to have died of a heart attack caused by shaking his fist at a German bomber. Is that a fact? How very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 40 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: Is that a fact? How very interesting. Dai, do I detect that that was a phrase you might occasionally have used to your more verbose patients... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dever Mayfly Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 There are many different categories of fame from the world of sport, science, engineering, literature and the arts and of course celebrity status now is very different than in 1914, but it is interesting to note that nine members of the teams that played in the 1914 England v Scotland rugby match died in the Great War. Imagine if one third of those who played in the 2018 Calcutta Cup were killed in a aircraft accident today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServiceRumDiluted Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 (edited) Seigfreid Herford, a pioneering climber well remembered in climbing circles for climbing Central Buttress on Scafell in 1914, a route still graded as extreme and well respected today. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Herford?wprov=sfla1 Also, though not famous in his lifetime is Charles Inglis Clark. His parents built a hut under Ben Nevis in his memory which is now very well known as the CIC hut. https://www.smc.org.uk/huts/cic Edited 2 November , 2018 by ServiceRumDiluted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Linda Posted 2 November , 2018 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2018 Well that has opened a can of worms! I thought I was on facebook for a moment then! i just wanted a very short list that people can instantly recognise. Not because they were more important, but to interest people that have no interest in WW1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 9 hours ago, sassenach said: Dai, do I detect that that was a phrase you might occasionally have used to your more verbose patients... No. Peter Cook to John Cleese. Secret Policeman's Ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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