Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 Hi guys, I'm new here.. my great gran uncle was killed in guillemont on 23rd august 1916.. Patrick mcdonnell.. he was 20.. he served in the 2nd battalion of leinster.. I've downloaded his medical card.. lots of numbers and stuff I can really understand.. was wondering have he any tips or websites that would be of help in finding out more about him.. delighted to have found this site.. it's great to get an idea of what these poor men were facing and hear stories too from the front😃 thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 Welcome to the Forum Have you looked at The Long Long Trail website - a link to which is at the top of the page? Once you have done that you can come back and ask any specific questions you might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 1 minute ago, Polar Bear said: Welcome to the Forum Have you looked at The Long Long Trail website - a link to which is at the top of the page? Once you have done that you can come back and ask any specific questions you might have. Thanks polar bear😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 (edited) Guess its this chap Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment (Royal Canadians) - 2nd Battalion McDONNELL Patrick 20 Navan Co. Meath Ireland Drogheda, Co. Louth 4239 Private Killed in Action France & Flanders 23/08/1916 Son of Elizabeth Mcdonnell, of Old Cornmarket, Navan, Co. Meath, and the Late John Mcdonnell. 73rd Brigade / 24th Division Early August : Happy Valley. 8th August-Mid August : Carnoy area. Works between Trônes Wood and Bernafay Wood. 18th August : Attack on Guillemont (in support). 20th August : Carnoy. Works in Trônes Wood. 23rd-26th August : In front line between Trônes Wood and Guillemont. Peronne Road, Cemetery Edited 9 March , 2020 by johnmelling1979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 6 minutes ago, johnmelling1979 said: Guess its this chap Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment (Royal Canadians) - 2nd Battalion McDONNELL Patrick 20 Navan Co. Meath Ireland Drogheda, Co. Louth 4239 Private Killed in Action France & Flanders 23/08/1916 Son of Elizabeth Mcdonnell, of Old Cornmarket, Navan, Co. Meath, and the Late John Mcdonnell. 73rd Brigade / 24th Division Early August : Happy Valley. 8th August-Mid August : Carnoy area. Works between Trônes Wood and Bernafay Wood. 18th August : Attack on Guillemont (in support). 20th August : Carnoy. Works in Trônes Wood. 23rd-26th August : In front line between Trônes Wood and Guillemont. Peronne Road, Cemetery Wow😃 yeah that's him, I just had his number and family details and seen where he died.. your so good to share.. I can have a look at all these areas for the times.. we have photo of 3 men in uniform from guillemont, we dont know whis in it.. but will put the up later.. thank you so much john for this info😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 A map to show the area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 Just now, johnmelling1979 said: A map to show the area Cool😃 was just looking up some bits on the long long trail website.. so much info on it.. thanks again for looking him up👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 (edited) Welcome to GWF From his pension record. courtesy of the Western Front Association and Ancestry (Fold3) [2 x ledger records], we can see that his mother Elizabeth was born 1869. As well as the Naven, Co. Meath address she also lived at 1 Moores Lane, Enderley, Leicestershire [believed to probably be Enderby] c.1925-1931 [when the pension record stops - might suggest she died, but would need checking] :-) M Edit: Photo of his CWGC headstone at The War Graves Photographic Project https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/3973964 Edited 9 March , 2020 by Matlock1418 Addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 #4239 was transferred from no6 General Hospital Rouen to England with a GSW Leg on 12 May 1915 - at that point he was 1st battalion.https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007306664%2F00268&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2FSUPP%2F137991 and the hospital register for the same incidenthttps://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-299%2F0026&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2F217071 Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 Ive been trying to look for the August 1916 war diary page! seem to be missing so far. 31 July, They marched off to VAUX Gap in the diary, No August diary found YET ! 7 days after Patrick McDONNELL is killed ! but still very close the area Patrick McDONNELL was in - 1st September at front line at Longueval trying to attack the area WOOD LANE and ORCHARD TRENCH John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 33 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Welcome to GWF From his pension record. courtesy of the Western Front Association and Ancestry (Fold3) [2 x ledger records], we can see that his mother Elizabeth was born 1869. As well as the Naven, Co. Meath address she also lived at 1 Moores Lane, Enderley, Leicestershire [believed to probably be Enderby] c.1925-1931 [when the pension record stops - might suggest she died, but would need checking] :-) M Wow😃 didnt know that either as the family still live in the house.. will have to look more into it, I think some of them went to england.. it's so great to get all this info, ye are all great to search and help😃 thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 I sure more stuff will be found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 8 minutes ago, johnmelling1979 said: Ive been trying to look for the August 1916 war diary page! seem to be missing so far. 31 July, They marched off to VAUX Gap in the diary, No August diary found YET ! 7 days after Patrick McDONNELL is killed ! but still very close the area Patrick McDONNELL was in - 1st September at front line at Longueval trying to attack the area WOOD LANE and ORCHARD TRENCH Thanks again john😃👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 (edited) Found a book for you to read should be on the pages\ and date you need! Interesting to read too And could be evidence of how your Patrick McDONNELL in the descripton hint hint https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AX--BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=23rd+august+1916+Prince+of+Wales's+Leinster+Regiment&source=bl&ots=Viu05c78O9&sig=ACfU3U3BCV2v-t_Jle6PJGNG4OdiLYbROg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGicaPzY3oAhXpaRUIHdAOCfU4ChDoATACegQIChAB John Edited 9 March , 2020 by johnmelling1979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 1 hour ago, Matlock1418 said: Welcome to GWF From his pension record. courtesy of the Western Front Association and Ancestry (Fold3) [2 x ledger records], we can see that his mother Elizabeth was born 1869. As well as the Naven, Co. Meath address she also lived at 1 Moores Lane, Enderley, Leicestershire [believed to probably be Enderby] c.1925-1931 [when the pension record stops - might suggest she died, but would need checking] :-) M Edit: Photo of his CWGC headstone at The War Graves Photographic Project https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/3973964 Thanks again😃 1 hour ago, johnmelling1979 said: Ive been trying to look for the August 1916 war diary page! seem to be missing so far. 31 July, They marched off to VAUX Gap in the diary, No August diary found YET ! 7 days after Patrick McDONNELL is killed ! but still very close the area Patrick McDONNELL was in - 1st September at front line at Longueval trying to attack the area WOOD LANE and ORCHARD TRENCH John Thanks again john👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 1 hour ago, johnmelling1979 said: Found a book for you to read should be on the pages\ and date you need! Interesting to read too And could be evidence of how your Patrick McDONNELL in the descripton hint hint https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AX--BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=23rd+august+1916+Prince+of+Wales's+Leinster+Regiment&source=bl&ots=Viu05c78O9&sig=ACfU3U3BCV2v-t_Jle6PJGNG4OdiLYbROg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGicaPzY3oAhXpaRUIHdAOCfU4ChDoATACegQIChAB John I'd say he's one of the two lads alright, we got contacted years ago by a guy who's dad was a stretcher bearer and he said patrick and another lynch man were killed at the same time.. Very hard reading, brilliantly described, but so hard to think of the fear they must have had😢 thanks for sharing😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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johnmelling1979 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 Well I'm so glad I managed to find more evidence for you to look at. Glad its all starting to tie in.. You still have plenty more to explore as well I could not find the August war diary page (Must be one somewhere )when I looked earlier... which is why I tried looking for the regiment book for you. As they are a great source of information Glad I found it for you John Nice one Jervis he's found the headstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervis Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 (edited) McDonnell’s death is mentioned in Francis Hitchcock’s memoir ‘stand to’. Page 148 23 Aug 1916. The Leinsters were on the way to the front line late evening to carry out a relief when they were shelled near ‘Stanley dump’. “One she’ll burst right beside me, and Sgt Henry was wounded. Two fine old toughs were killed instantly, 4807 Pte Lynch a reservist who has been with the Battalion since 14 and 4238 (sic) Pte McDonnell, another fine type.” Edited 9 March , 2020 by Jervis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 14 minutes ago, johnmelling1979 said: Well I'm so glad I managed to find more evidence for you to look at. Glad its all starting to tie in.. You still have plenty more to explore as well I could not find the August war diary page (Must be one somewhere )when I looked earlier... which is why I tried looking for the regiment book for you. As they are a great source of information Glad I found it for you John Nice one Jervis he's found the headstone Your so good.. great to hear anything to do with him and his regiment.. thank you so much, I've been sharing all the stuff with my mum and shes delighted too😃 thanks again for all ye're help 19 minutes ago, Jervis said: Thanks Jarvis, great to get a glimpse of this😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 10 minutes ago, Jervis said: McDonnell’s death is mentioned in Francis Hitchcock’s memoir ‘stand to’. Page 148 23 Aug 1916. The Leinsters were on the way to the front line late evening to carry out a relief when they were shelled near ‘Stanley dump’. “One she’ll burst right beside me, and Sgt Henry was wounded. Two fine old toughs were killed instantly, 4807 Pte Lynch a reservist who has been with the Battalion since 14 and 4238 (sic) Pte McDonnell, another fine type.” I've bought this book yesterday.. should have it in the next day or so.. looking forward to reading it.. thanks again jarvis😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 Oh if its for the mum then its got to be a full on presentation for her 1 minute ago, Philly vaughan said: I've bought this book yesterday.. should have it in the next day or so.. looking forward to reading it.. thanks again jarvis😃 2 books with first hand evidence... brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 1 minute ago, johnmelling1979 said: Oh if its for the mum then its got to be a full on presentation for her 🤣😃 gonna do up a little booklet with all in it for all the relations, know they'd love to gear all about him.. just found it hard to keep quiet when I started seeing all the cool stuff🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly vaughan Posted 9 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2020 2 hours ago, ss002d6252 said: #4239 was transferred from no6 General Hospital Rouen to England with a GSW Leg on 12 May 1915 - at that point he was 1st battalion.https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007306664%2F00268&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2FSUPP%2F137991 and the hospital register for the same incidenthttps://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-299%2F0026&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2F217071 Craig Only seen this now craig😃 thanks for that really interesting yet are all such a great help😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervis Posted 9 March , 2020 Share Posted 9 March , 2020 4 hours ago, Philly vaughan said: Wow😃 yeah that's him, I just had his number and family details and seen where he died.. your so good to share.. I can have a look at all these areas for the times.. we have photo of 3 men in uniform from guillemont, we dont know whis in it.. but will put the up later.. thank you so much john for this info😃 Hi Philly, Could I ask you to post the photo or PM it to me please? My great grandfather served in same battalion and was wounded in Guillemont. I have an interest in Battalion in general and I would be very interested in viewing the photos. thanks Jervis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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