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It's been a couple of months since the last version of the index was published so it seems time for a new one.  It adds a further 103 entries so we now have 11,275 lists on the index.

Just a couple of amendments since the last version: 

ID              Change made

5310.1        Added new entry
5353          Corrected list number (from 23966 to 23956)
5415          Corrected date (from 1917 03 13 to 1917 07 23)
5342          Corrected list number (from 16643 to 15643).

David.

Casualty Lists as at 2023 08 01.csv

 

 

 

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David

Thanks again for your hard work.

Brian

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5 minutes ago, brianmorris547 said:

David

Thanks again for your hard work.

Brian

Thanks Brian.

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David

Thanks for the updated list. I'll post some more starting with some C prefix lists

Dave

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I've found copies of the Admission & Discharge forms W 3034 & A36 used by FAs, CCSs & Hospitals. I've added them to the Army Forms Scans topic.

I also added a copy of a B103 to demontrate how they were used/quoted. I now think I'm not so sure as the B103 seems to quote the form but I can't see how a copy of a A36 or W3034 was copied to each Record Office. Surely we would have some surviving scrap recycled copies? As far as I know the H, HA HB, C etc. type lists were the ones circulated to Records Offices.

TEW

 

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Regarding the ICRC images. I've discovered the hi-res versions can be downloaded as a batch using Downthemall.

What I don't understand at present is the ICRC file/folder structure and how to find other batches.

The main topic has two links to 151 images on the page starting with R53081 and 204 images on the page starting R51812.

https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/3211305/699/53081/
https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/5037990/699/51812/

The URLS are; /List/3211305/699/53081/ and /List/5037990/699/51812/

It's the bits in bold that have me stumped, I know it's their structuring system but without access to each page I can only access the two pages already linked to.

I've also tried adjusting the 53081

If you did want to 'downthemall' for the two links so far the download line would be:

https://media.grandeguerre.icrc.org/full-resolution/C/G1/E/01/03/C_G1_E_01_03_0018/C_G1_E_01_03_0018_[0001:0151].JPG

https://media.grandeguerre.icrc.org/full-resolution/C/G1/E/01/03/C_G1_E_01_03_0010/C_G1_E_01_03_0010_[0001:0204].JPG

TEW

 

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On 13/02/2024 at 12:54, TEW said:

Regarding the ICRC images. I've discovered the hi-res versions can be downloaded as a batch using Downthemall.

What I don't understand at present is the ICRC file/folder structure and how to find other batches.

The main topic has two links to 151 images on the page starting with R53081 and 204 images on the page starting R51812.

https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/3211305/699/53081/
https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/5037990/699/51812/

The URLS are; /List/3211305/699/53081/ and /List/5037990/699/51812/

It's the bits in bold that have me stumped, I know it's their structuring system but without access to each page I can only access the two pages already linked to.

I've also tried adjusting the 53081

If you did want to 'downthemall' for the two links so far the download line would be:

https://media.grandeguerre.icrc.org/full-resolution/C/G1/E/01/03/C_G1_E_01_03_0018/C_G1_E_01_03_0018_[0001:0151].JPG

https://media.grandeguerre.icrc.org/full-resolution/C/G1/E/01/03/C_G1_E_01_03_0010/C_G1_E_01_03_0010_[0001:0204].JPG

TEW

 

Thank you TEW.  That is interesting.

I believe a key reason that images of the known lists have not been published on the forum is due to copyright concerns.  For lists found on the big subscription sites, the casualty lists are just a tiny fraction of their overall holdings.  But the picture for the ICRC site is less clear hence erring on the side of caution and not publishing the images.  Your point about the difficulty in understanding their structuring system adds to that sense of uncertainty, but I wondered if, in your research into the site, you have come to any thoughts as to how extensive the site may be and therefore whether the lists we have from it are likely to constitute a large or small percentage of the total?  

David.

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David,

I'm sort of making plans as to the best approach in seeing what their archives hold. It'll have to be filed in the work in progress folder for me. I will report back.

TEW

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2 hours ago, TEW said:

David,

I'm sort of making plans as to the best approach in seeing what their archives hold. It'll have to be filed in the work in progress folder for me. I will report back.

TEW

That sounds great. Thank you TEW,

David.

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With apologies for the gap in updating the index since last August - here is the latest version.  It adds a further 77 new entries so, taking into account the 2 deletions below, we now have 11,350 lists on the index.

As mentioned, just a couple of amendments since the last version: 

ID            Change made

5484        Corrected list number (from H.A.23457 to H.A.23437)
5724        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5534.
7371        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5607.
 

David.

Casualty Lists as at 2024 03 17.csv

 

 

 

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Regarding the spreadsheet 17th March 2024.

#2970
This is list HA 31642 from page 50 Link Here. It's currently dated 1918 10 11 but I think it should be 1918 11 11.

#9005
Probably been spotted but it's dated 1017 10 02 which is a bit Saxon!

TEW

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3 hours ago, TEW said:

Regarding the spreadsheet 17th March 2024.

#2970
This is list HA 31642 from page 50 Link Here. It's currently dated 1918 10 11 but I think it should be 1918 11 11.

#9005
Probably been spotted but it's dated 1017 10 02 which is a bit Saxon!

TEW

Thank you TEW.  That's most helpful.  I'll get those two changed when I produce the next version of the index which is likely to be next week.

And there were probably rather more axe wounds than gunshot wounds in Saxon times.

David.

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Here is an updated version of the index of casualty lists posted on the thread Casualty Lists - Page 100 - Other Great War Chat - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum (greatwarforum.org).  The index now stands at 11430 entries.  In addition to the two changes to the previous version which TEW spotted above, I have removed ID 3485 since it was duplicated at 5663.

David.

Casualty Lists as at 2024 05 28.csv

 

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David,

I've had some unusual things happen when opening the latest version.

I get an error that says it's in a different format than specified by the extension. I can continue to open the file but am then told it's a SYLK file and cannot load it. If I then 'OK' that message it seems to open it and all is well.

It can be saved as an XLSX file and then becomes gremlin free.

This won't be a problem for me and I suppose it depends on whether others have a problem.

There are also some odd entries in Columns S, U & V

TEW

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2 hours ago, TEW said:

David,

I've had some unusual things happen when opening the latest version.

I get an error that says it's in a different format than specified by the extension. I can continue to open the file but am then told it's a SYLK file and cannot load it. If I then 'OK' that message it seems to open it and all is well.

It can be saved as an XLSX file and then becomes gremlin free.

This won't be a problem for me and I suppose it depends on whether others have a problem.

There are also some odd entries in Columns S, U & V

TEW

Thank you TEW. That's most odd. I will investigate.

David.

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David,

A Google search suggests it occurs when the first row, first cell contains 'ID', that forces Excel into seeing it as a .sylk file rather than a .csv file.

It would also confuse it with EG. 'ID Number'. id would not confuse it.

Any of the above possible?

TEW

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Downloaded fine here

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That's very strange.  I didn't have any issues when I downloaded it either, but here is a version which goes back to having cell A1 as "No." vice "ID no."  I hope it does the trick for you TEW?  If not, I'll have to have another go tomorrow.

David.

Casualty Lists as at 2024 05 28.csv

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David,

The new one opened for me without problems.

I tried to replicate the error by having the term ID in cell A1 and saving the file as a csv. I had errors messages when opening it but these were different errors!

While doing the above I noticed that somehow my version of Excel had decided to use R1C1 referencing which means rows and columns both use numbers. No idea how long that's been going on, very odd. I've reset that back to normal referencing but I still get the SYLK error trying to open the previous version.

Whatever the cause it seems OK now, although for me I can't have ID in A1. I'm using Office 2010 Excel V 14.0.7258.

I'll see what the latest library version makes of it all later today.

Thanks

TEW

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Thanks TEW. That really is strange, isn't it. But very glad that getting rid of ID in the first cell has worked. I'll avoid using 'ID' in future versions of the index. 

David.

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Just tried it in the library with Office 2019 and no errors reported when opening the older version (with ID in A1).

Must be something weird about my set up at home.

Thanks

TEW

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I've noticed that more and more of the images in the main topic are showing as dead links.

There is a topic regarding dead image links.

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/304774-recently-posted-images-have-become-deadlinks/

I normally check any suspected duplicated list numbers using the spreadsheet against the relevant topic page.

I tried this recently on page 83 and the images were dead links. There seem to be quite a few on page 83 starting HB 13005.

To remedy this you can:

Edit your own posts which will show your attachments. Delete the dead link and re do the attachments in the right order if you captioned the image.

Report the post to admin in the above link.

Use the 'Report' function from the three dots button. Just mention the dead links.

I've dealt with my problem due to the dead links.

There are members who have uploaded many images with captions. It's almost another full time task to sort out the dead links. I'm not even certain that correcting the attachment means it can't happen again.

TEW

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4 hours ago, TEW said:

I tried this recently on page 83 and the images were dead links. There seem to be quite a few on page 83 starting HB 13005

Thanks Tew, I have repaired my dead links on page 83. They appear to be working now.

Dave

 

 

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Here is a new version of the index of Casualty Lists posted on the Casualty List thread.  The index now stands at 11527 entries.  There has been just one correction since the last version published in May and that concerns ID 359 which has been amended from H.A.843 to H.A.943.

David.

Casualty Lists as at 20240915.csv

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