the_trench Posted 10 April , 2022 Share Posted 10 April , 2022 Can you please tell me this rifle' model? bougth from Gallipoli. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 10 April , 2022 Share Posted 10 April , 2022 Looks like Gew.88 with barell jacket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_trench Posted 10 April , 2022 Author Share Posted 10 April , 2022 5 minutes ago, AndyBsk said: Looks like Gew.88 with barell jacket. Thanks so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShtLE303 Posted 10 April , 2022 Share Posted 10 April , 2022 Yep, Gew 88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 10 April , 2022 Share Posted 10 April , 2022 It does indeed look like a Gew 88 - but a Gew 1888/05? Bigger question - why at Gallipoli? The German kriegsmarine were there, as were other German units, but they had Gew 98, as far as I know... From years in Turkey, I have many reasons to doubt Gallipoli purchases as actually Gallipoli finds... The old saying 'Buy the item not the story' applies! Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullochArd Posted 10 April , 2022 Share Posted 10 April , 2022 1 hour ago, trajan said: 'Buy the item not the story' I'll remember that one for the future trajan! Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted 10 April , 2022 Share Posted 10 April , 2022 Germany supplied 142000 Gew 88 and 88/05 rifles to turkey during WW1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 10 April , 2022 Share Posted 10 April , 2022 1 hour ago, green said: Germany supplied 142000 Gew 88 and 88/05 rifles to turkey during WW1. Welcome to the GWForum! Yes, but not in 1915 as far as I can make out! See p.101 of my article - Julian Bennett (2021) 'A Call for Arms! Supplying the Sultan’s Army, 1916-1918', Arms & Armour, 18:1, 99-117, DOI: 10.1080/17416124.2021.1882793 - https://doi.org/10.1080/17416124.2021.1882793 I quote: "The exact numbers are unclear. Perhaps as many as 50,000 were sent by the summer of 1916, with another 170,130 ‘ready for shipping’ by November 1917, and so around 220,000 in all during a roughly 17 month period." Where did you get the 142,000 figure, by the way? My information came from D.Storz and is second hand, but he does give the reference to the archival material relating to this matter - I could not check this personally in Munich owing to the COVID situation when so many libraries and archives were closed down... Anyway, I could be wrong in how I have interpreted Storz, but as far as is known no Gew 88/05 (and possibly some Gew 88/14?) arrived at Constantinople before summer 1916. I will be happy to be corrected if you can give a documentary source! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 11 April , 2022 Share Posted 11 April , 2022 (edited) From the condition of the piece, this is mostly a spare parts remains as there are missing various parts that could be not lost by resting in ground, rings, sights, bolt,bolt stop lever, there would be some remains of buttstock, but this doesnt look so, it could be it was castrated rifle, with removed parts, that remained somewhere and rusted over to this condition. When You provide more info from magazine body or upper receiver we will see what is the exact modell, but from end of receiver part there is reality this is a G88/05 or later rework G88/14. Edited 11 April , 2022 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 11 April , 2022 Share Posted 11 April , 2022 16 hours ago, the_trench said: 4 minutes ago, AndyBsk said: From the condition of the piece, this is mostly a spare parts remains as there are missing various parts that could be not lost by resting in ground, rings, sights, bolt, there would be some remains of buttstock, but this doesnt look so, it could be it was castrated rifle, with removed parts, that remained somewhere and rusted over to this condition. I wondered about that but interpreted the white things as sea organisms, and so a sea-find. What do you reckon on the type? I am not a rifle student by any means, but isn't there something about that dustcover on the magazine / trigger guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 11 April , 2022 Share Posted 11 April , 2022 Yes You are right, but there are too side walls on back of receiver to attach the Mauser clip without adding the older mannlicher clip into magazine body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 11 April , 2022 Share Posted 11 April , 2022 (edited) I believe I may have had one of these in my early collecting days, did not know what it was then (no Google) but I did pull it down for a photo and was amassed at how well the barrel cover fitted. Still have the photo's but rifle long gone. Mine was the carbine model with about 20" barrel. Cheers, TR Edited 11 April , 2022 by t.ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted 11 April , 2022 Share Posted 11 April , 2022 20 hours ago, trajan said: Welcome to the GWForum! Yes, but not in 1915 as far as I can make out! See p.101 of my article - Julian Bennett (2021) 'A Call for Arms! Supplying the Sultan’s Army, 1916-1918', Arms & Armour, 18:1, 99-117, DOI: 10.1080/17416124.2021.1882793 - https://doi.org/10.1080/17416124.2021.1882793 I quote: "The exact numbers are unclear. Perhaps as many as 50,000 were sent by the summer of 1916, with another 170,130 ‘ready for shipping’ by November 1917, and so around 220,000 in all during a roughly 17 month period." Where did you get the 142,000 figure, by the way? My information came from D.Storz and is second hand, but he does give the reference to the archival material relating to this matter - I could not check this personally in Munich owing to the COVID situation when so many libraries and archives were closed down... Anyway, I could be wrong in how I have interpreted Storz, but as far as is known no Gew 88/05 (and possibly some Gew 88/14?) arrived at Constantinople before summer 1916. I will be happy to be corrected if you can give a documentary source! Julian "German Gew 88 Commission Rifle" Scarlatta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 11 April , 2022 Share Posted 11 April , 2022 As already mentioned its Gew88/05 or Gew88/14 there is conversion for Mauser clip on back of receiver. We dont see the opening of magazine body, but it should be normally covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_trench Posted 15 April , 2022 Author Share Posted 15 April , 2022 Thanks so much for infos. I live in Gallipoli. You can find what you finn here:) For example US or nagant socket bayonet with Ottoman numbers:) Or a flechette. I am going there now. It is cold but i can try to dive. Thanks again for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 15 April , 2022 Share Posted 15 April , 2022 Here it was probably complete as there are rings and all parts even the attached bayonet, on G88 it was already a damaged piece wout sights, bolt and rings on wood, when throwed into sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 15 April , 2022 Share Posted 15 April , 2022 1 hour ago, the_trench said: Thanks so much for infos. I live in Gallipoli. You can find what you finn here:) For example US or nagant socket bayonet with Ottoman numbers:) Or a flechette. I am going there now. It is cold but i can try to dive. Thanks again for all. A Peabody-Martini! They were used at Gallipoli - see my articles: http://repository.bilkent.edu.tr/handle/11693/53471 and http://repository.bilkent.edu.tr/handle/11693/50414 To my knowledge this is the first example found there! And the socket bayonets for this are rare - I have only seen one in Turkey, now in my collection. A quite different fitting and style from the GB Henry-Martin bayonet! Is this piece in your personal collection? If so, I am envious! On the 'Commission rifle' you showed in the OP, there were German soldiers seconded to the Turkish army at Gallipoli, in addition to the sailors that came from the two German ships. M-Nagant bayonets could possibly be there. The Germans gave the Ottoman army loads of captured M-N rifles. Some are in German or Austrian scabbards. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted 15 April , 2022 Share Posted 15 April , 2022 Looks like one of the PM rifles which were converted to 7.65 Mauser calibre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_trench Posted 27 April , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 April , 2022 On 15/04/2022 at 09:31, trajan said: A Peabody-Martini! They were used at Gallipoli - see my articles: http://repository.bilkent.edu.tr/handle/11693/53471 and http://repository.bilkent.edu.tr/handle/11693/50414 To my knowledge this is the first example found there! And the socket bayonets for this are rare - I have only seen one in Turkey, now in my collection. A quite different fitting and style from the GB Henry-Martin bayonet! Is this piece in your personal collection? If so, I am envious! On the 'Commission rifle' you showed in the OP, there were German soldiers seconded to the Turkish army at Gallipoli, in addition to the sailors that came from the two German ships. M-Nagant bayonets could possibly be there. The Germans gave the Ottoman army loads of captured M-N rifles. Some are in German or Austrian scabbards. Julian Yes, peabody is mine from Alçı Tepe i have a nagant bayonet also. There are Ottoman numbers on socket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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