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Smle mk111* 1915 dated markings


Andy Chamberlain

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Hello 

I acquired a BSA 1915 dated mk 111* which I believe must be an early mk111*  being 1915, also most of  the serial numbers match barrel, bolt, nosecap  etc , but I need help with disiphering some of the markings and   the significance of the Y above the serial number, and are all parts original to 1915 or has it been repaired and replaced at some time ? Hopefully some of the more learned members will be able to give me some answers ?

Regards Andy

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The Y is the serial number prefix. So the complete serial number is Y91548.

The barrel was replaced with one made in 1940 at RSAF Enfield. It was an official rebarreling and stamped to match receiver etc

The cocking piece also appears to be Enfield produced. The bolt head is stamped NS which indicates "difference in specification"

Chris

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Thanks for that  Chris, wasn't sure if tha broad arrow 40 was a reissue date or new barrel manurfacture date  ? Also thought should have oval cocking piece not oblong block type, so I presume rifle would have been in storage and then repaired and reissued in 1940 ? 

Regards Andy.

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Yes I suspect refinished early in WWII.

RSAF Enfield got numerous contracts from 1937 on to repair and refurbish rifles from stocks

Eg on 13/9/1940 there were two contracts for 37,767 rifles to repair, 17.354 to recondition.

Chris

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Okay thanks again , I don't suppose you can trace it's service life by the serial number ? Would be amazing to find out where it's been and with which units ? If only they could talk.  With regards it being a mk111* and dated 1915  would it be one of the first mk111*s to be made ? 

Andy

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Nope - can't tell anything from the serial number as far as units/usage etc unfortunately. It is very. very uncommon to reliably link a surviving rifle to a particular service history.

Yes, a 1915 BSA MkIII* is one of the earlier ones but quite a lot were made (BSA produced more than a quarter of a million rifles in 1915)

The observed data collected by the Enfield Research Associates (coordinated by the late Skip Stratton) suggested that the BSA changeover to MkIII* happened somewhere between X81971 and Y40723 so your rifles was relatively early.

Chris

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