JWK Posted 2 June , 2022 Share Posted 2 June , 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, knittinganddeath said: How did you know which Verlustlisten to look in? On the page that featured Bolislaus Rominski I noted some other Løken residents. And at the start of the list (1113) it is mentioned that "this list also contains the 2nd list of POW's in Norway, list nr 1 is included in Preußen 869" Maybe there's a "list 3" but have not found that yet. And no, you can't search for "Loken" unfortunately (but those Verlustlisten are a great resource nonetheless!) "List nr 1" also included some 50 POW's in Denmark (Hald in Jutland). Found a Flickr photostream for that camp. Maybe I should start a new thread on that camp. Edited 2 June , 2022 by JWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 2 June , 2022 Share Posted 2 June , 2022 Lorenz Sahner Born 28.11.80 Bildstock Grenadier-Regiment 1 Died in Loken 22.9.17 following illness What happened to his grave? It's not in the Volksbund database. Anyway, with the names on Charlie's list I now have 154 names (and Regiments for most) for Löken en Hovelsasen combined. If only I could figure out how to post an Excel file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 2 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 June , 2022 1 minute ago, JWK said: What happened to his grave? It's not in the Volksbund database. I wrote to the church in Lomen this afternoon to ask if his grave is still there (that's where he was buried according to the Lagerbote). Hopefully they won't ignore me... I think if you turn the Excel file into a PDF you might be able to post it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 2 June , 2022 Share Posted 2 June , 2022 (edited) Good idea turning it into a PDF. Let's see: *Old list. See further down this thread for the latest, updated list! Copy of Loken.pdf Work in progress. Edited 3 June , 2022 by JWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 2 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 June , 2022 (edited) WOW! Thank you for compiling and sharing! I found Korn, by the way. Hermann Pelikan: https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/6211352 Edited 2 June , 2022 by knittinganddeath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FROGSMILE Posted 2 June , 2022 Share Posted 2 June , 2022 (edited) On 02/06/2022 at 20:50, JWK said: Good idea turning it into a PDF. Let's see: Copy of Loken.pdf 114.7 kB · 2 downloads Work in progress. Excellent work JWK. I hope that you will be able to find some Husaren. I noticed earlier that you had ranks/appointments and names, but didn’t see any mention of specific units. Edited 18 August , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 2 June , 2022 Share Posted 2 June , 2022 22 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: I hope that you will be able to find some Husaren. No Husaren yet. Just 2 Ulanen, 8 Grenadiers, a Feldflieger, a bunch of Jägers, 2 Saxons and a Wurttemberger. And of course many Infanterie regiments. But maybe the missing 30 are all Hussars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 2 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 June , 2022 (edited) To the Løken list can also be added Fritz Lemcke (https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/6217214) Wilhelm Hecker (https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/6147224) Franz Ebisch and Gottfried Droese (https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/6225282) Ludwig Borowski, Otto Brömme, Johann Georg von Buch, and Karl Buckendahl (https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/6144956) Luzian Adrian (https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/5646712) Johannes Rünemann Paul Pellin Hermann Pelz To the Hald list Oskar Palme (all except Lemcke are on the same page as Hermann Pelikan: https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/6211352) Edited 2 June , 2022 by knittinganddeath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 June , 2022 Share Posted 2 June , 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JWK said: No Husaren yet. Just 2 Ulanen, 8 Grenadiers, a Feldflieger, a bunch of Jägers, 2 Saxons and a Wurttemberger. And of course many Infanterie regiments. But maybe the missing 30 are all Hussars? Well the photos of soldiers in Attila’s certainly suggest that some were there. I don’t think that they were playing a children’s game of ‘dress up’. Edited 2 June , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 2 June , 2022 Share Posted 2 June , 2022 44 minutes ago, knittinganddeath said: Johannes Rünemann Johannes Nünemann is already in the list (I too get majorly confused with those capital N's and R's in Fraktur!) All the others added. 158 now so far, only 26 to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 Great work JWK. Oberstlt Gustav Wirk was z.D (zur Disposition) not a.D. he was serving with Landwehr IR 61. http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/2163960 Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 3 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2022 Further POWs in Norway Johannes Latwat --> same as Max Latwat? (same birthday, hometown) Siegfried Mey https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/8945561 Bruno Nitsche https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/8242729 Friedrich Matzke https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/3360802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 Nitsche - Jäger Bataillon 5 Mey - 2. Garde Ulanen Regiment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 (edited) Maybe Max Latwat was called Max Johannes (or Johannes Max)? Made a note. Rest added/corrected. Bruno Nitsche: https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/7713022 shows him in Hald (Denmark) https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/8242729 shows him as back from Norway? And there were British sailors interned near Lillehammer (off the HMS India, torpedoed on 8.8.1915). Never knew that! Edited 3 June , 2022 by JWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 3 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2022 (edited) The Lagerbote came to the rescue regarding Nitsche! He is mentioned by name upon his arrival in Denmark (page 152 of the second volume). The Lagerbote also reveals why "Leutnant Dierssen" can't be found in the Verlustlisten: he wasn't a prisoner at all. ("The celebration was opened by a speech by Lieutenant Dierssen, who had been seconded to Norway by the representative of the Ministry of War at the German Embassy in Copenhagen." Translated by DeepL.) Regarding HMS India in Norway, local historians in Lillehammer have written a surprising amount about them, plus there are a lot of newspaper articles from that time. IIRC the wife of one of the officers' descendants was on this forum last year looking for more information -- she was writing a book on the topic. If the newspaper accounts are to be believed, those men were extremely unpopular due to their bad behaviour in town. Lots of escape attempts, public drunkenness, and brawling both among each other and with locals. They did get home leave for a few weeks at a time, and once someone got another man (his brother, cousin, or a random Australian soldier depending on which source you read) to return in his stead, the ruse only being discovered when the imposter was in Norway. The crew of the SS Berlin were also interned here from the fall of 1914 onwards, first at Hommelviken near Trondheim and then in the more isolated Lofjord after about half of them escaped. Edited 3 June , 2022 by knittinganddeath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 9 minutes ago, knittinganddeath said: The Lagerbote also reveals why "Leutnant Dierssen" can't be found in the Verlustlisten: he wasn't a prisoner. I too apparently need to read the Lagerbote more thoroughly Sorry for misleading everyone. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 Aha, many names to add to the list! Will post an update of the list a.s.a.p. (Got 161 names so far, but with this article in the Lagerbote that could well get to over 170! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 3 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2022 By the way, is it possible that the men wearing the Attila are Austrian officers? I note that in my last post, the excerpt about Dierssen also mentions there were 16 Austrian officers at Löken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, knittinganddeath said: By the way, is it possible that the men wearing the Attila are Austrian officers? I note that in my last post, the excerpt about Dierssen also mentions there were 16 Austrian officers at Löken. Austria did have Husaren just like most of Europe. Here’s an example of one regimental uniform, as at 1914. Note the distinctive slanted pockets on the skirt hips. Edited 3 June , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 33 minutes ago, knittinganddeath said: , is it possible that the men wearing the Attila are Austrian officers? I don’t think so, the men in the photos are wearing German headdress, they also haven‘t got any pips denoting their rank on their collars. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 3 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2022 Just went back to read the account of the Kaiser's birthday and found an explanation of the Attilas. "A splendid picture was presented by the soldiers in their smart blue Hussar uniforms decorated with white cords, which they had exchanged for the old uniforms that had been worn out in captivity." (Translation from DeepL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 8 minutes ago, knittinganddeath said: Just went back to read the account of the Kaiser's birthday and found an explanation of the Attilas. "A splendid picture was presented by the soldiers in their smart blue Hussar uniforms decorated with white cords, which they had exchanged for the old uniforms that had been worn out in captivity." (Translation from DeepL) Fantastic and a great surprise to me. They were indeed playing dress up! I wouldn’t have believed it of the German military mindset, but needs must if their old uniforms were worn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 (edited) The latest version of the list. 161 names. *edited. Updated list further down this thread Edited 3 June , 2022 by JWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 3 June , 2022 Share Posted 3 June , 2022 Cancel that last post, I missed some names provided by Knitting! And I found one other: Marquis Louis Utffz. 18.10. Hagen i. W. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment 220 168 names now - 28 Officers, 140 ORs (out of a possible 193 - 35 Officers, 158 Ors) Norway German POWs.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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