Mick M Posted 1 June , 2022 Share Posted 1 June , 2022 The above was born in Ryall, Worcestershire, 28.3.84, father Soloman Belcher. I have him in the 1891 and 1901 census with his family but he then disappears until joining up in 1916 in Canada. The only passenger records I can find for this name are two in 1918 clearly not him he died on Vimy Ridge in 1917. I assume he travelled before 1911 but can't find a record.....I also assume he's a volunteer as conscription in Canada wasn't until 1917...Also the pic below is from his file am I reading it right his outstanding pay is £229.7s.4d.? Are the Battalion war diaries available ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 1 June , 2022 Share Posted 1 June , 2022 11 minutes ago, Mick M said: Are the Battalion war diaries available ? have a look in https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/Pages/war-diaries.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick M Posted 1 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 1 June , 2022 24 minutes ago, jonbem said: have a look in https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/Pages/war-diaries.aspx Found it thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acknown Posted 1 June , 2022 Share Posted 1 June , 2022 I don't know the accuracy of this website, but it has him travelling to Canada on 22 Mar 10: http://www.rememberthefallen.co.uk/casualty/belcher-tom/. Acknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick M Posted 1 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 1 June , 2022 24 minutes ago, Acknown said: I don't know the accuracy of this website, but it has him travelling to Canada on 22 Mar 10: http://www.rememberthefallen.co.uk/casualty/belcher-tom/. Acknown That's exactly what I needed thanks....The preceding facts are correct....The Appendix to the war diary gives an account of the ay I'm trying to unravel.... Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 1 June , 2022 Share Posted 1 June , 2022 @Mick M 32 minutes ago, Acknown said: I don't know the accuracy of this website, but it has him travelling to Canada on 22 Mar 10 The transcript of the entry from Find My Past is below. A search of the passengers records for a Thomas Belcher, born 1884 didn't find anything but when I excluded the year of birth, there were a number of Thomas Belchers but the one that sailed in 1910 doesn't show a year of birth. First name(s) Thos Last name Belcher Gender Male Marital status S Occupation Lab Departure day 22 Departure month 3 Departure year 1910 Departure port Liverpool Departure country England Entry struck out N Destination port Halifax Destination Halifax Province or maritime Nova Scotia Country Canada Destination place - country CANADA Destination country Canada Ship name Grampian Ship official number 124220 Ship registered tonnage 6516 Ship square feet 39243 Ship master's first name J M Ship master's last name Johnston Shipping line Allan Line Number of passengers 1631 Length of voyage in days 21 Ship departure port LIVERPOOL Ship destination port Saint John NB Ship destination country Canada Record set Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960 Category Travel & migration Subcategory Passenger Lists Collections from Great Britain, England, Canada, Americas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 1 June , 2022 Share Posted 1 June , 2022 @Mick M Meant to add that my search for a Thomas Belcher in the 1910 passenger lists came up with 16 hits -- 14 went to America (none born in 1884); 1 went to New Zealand and only 1 went to Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick M Posted 1 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 1 June , 2022 13 minutes ago, Allan1892 said: @Mick M Meant to add that my search for a Thomas Belcher in the 1910 passenger lists came up with 16 hits -- 14 went to America (none born in 1884); 1 went to New Zealand and only 1 went to Canada. Thanks that's most likely him as he was absent for the 1911 census..he is named Tom on the memorial I am researching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 1 June , 2022 Share Posted 1 June , 2022 (edited) Actually it looks as though he made at least two trips across the Atlantic, the first one being in March 1910 where he is aged 25 and described as a farm labourer, heading to Moosejaw, Saskatchewan. In this case he travelled on the Grampian and landed in Halifax, Nova Scotia. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2Q9B-1NR The second was two years later in February 1912, where a 27-year old Thomas Belcher, from Moosejaw, Saskatchewan, arrives on board the Empress of Ireland at Saint John, New Brunswick. In this case he is described as a returning Canadian in the far right column of the passenger list. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HGY-FCH The dates should mean that he shows up in the 1911 Canada census, but I'm not having any joy finding him unless he travelled to the UK between the dates of the 1911 England and Wales census, which was 2 April 1911, and the 1911 Canada census, which started on 1 June 1911, with all reports being received by 26 February 1912, and so slipped between the cracks. Edited to add that this can only be him, the address on his attestation record is Moosejaw, Saskatchewan. As his attestation date is 4 January 1916, he also misses the 1916 Prairie Provinces Census, which took place on 1 June, 1916. Edited 1 June , 2022 by Tawhiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 1 June , 2022 Share Posted 1 June , 2022 You didn't mention if you already had his full Canadian service record, but just in case you don't, it can be found online in the Canadian Archives. It includes his will, pages 7 through 10, and notes in various places the same information that was given on the website that Acknown found. https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=35268 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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