davidbohl Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 Both photos are of the same man Just a name at the moment, Herbert Travis b.1891 Staveley, Derbyshire Is that the Imperial Service badge on the right breast ? thanks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 Yes to badge, so presumably a territorial. sorry I can’t help further. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 31 August , 2022 Admin Share Posted 31 August , 2022 Yes to the Imperial Service Tablet, and he’s got a three part shoulder title. I’m afraid I can’t make out the cap badge or shoulder title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 31 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2022 my enquirer has pointed to a pension card Name: Herbert Travis Record Type: Card Residence Place: Oldham Service Number: 53838, 78578 Corps, Regiment or Unit: L.c., (M.r.), (L.r) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 Being mounted rather suggested to me that he could be cavalry, artillery or ASC. A very quick search of MIC came up with three hits, including: Herbert TRAVIS, 180905, RGA Any papers or other to match his birth details??? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, davidbohl said: my enquirer has pointed to a pension card Name: Herbert Travis Record Type: Card Residence Place: Oldham Service Number: 53838, 78578 Corps, Regiment or Unit: L.c., (M.r.), (L.r) From a second pension card = Unit: Labour Corps - Address: 51 West End Street, Oldham - Born: 1884 - Discharged: 5.3.19 - Disability: VDH M Edit: Also, from a third pension card Died: 26.12.1974 Widow: Alice Edited 31 August , 2022 by Matlock1418 Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 31 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Unit: Labour Corps - Address: 51 West End Street, Oldham Thanks Matlock, question mark on 1884 (is that the wifes?) 27 West End St in 1911 aged 20, aged 10 in 1901 Edited 31 August , 2022 by davidbohl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, davidbohl said: Thanks Matlock, question mark on 1884 Can't vouch for its accuracy but 1884 is what's on the pension ledger index card M Edited 31 August , 2022 by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 (edited) Electoral rolls from 1918 West End St Herbert Travis unit Labour Batt Manchester Road Herbert Travis 180905 Gnr 128th Hvy Bty RGA Later man also has 3 other Travis on the page in Manchester Rd- Crompton RE, George 2nd Monmouth and Harry Roy Fus Edited 31 August , 2022 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, davidbohl said: question mark on 1884 (is that the wifes?) No, it is recorded as his on his disability PLIC [53838] M Edited 31 August , 2022 by Matlock1418 add his 53838 number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 (edited) And in 1919 West End St. Number 51 West End St 53838 Labour Corps Edited 31 August , 2022 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, davidbohl said: my enquirer has pointed to a pension card Name: Herbert Travis Record Type: Card Residence Place: Oldham Service Number: 53838, 78578 Corps, Regiment or Unit: L.c., (M.r.), (L.r) TRAVIS, Bert - MIC = 78578, The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, 53838 Labour Corps [same numbers as this discharge PIC] M Edit: Worth checking the Medal Roll for the KLR Bn. Edited 31 August , 2022 by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 31 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2022 That's brilliant, well done all Does the horse photo look suspect as he has a bandolier ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 (edited) The Herbert Travis at 51 West End St is still there in 1939 Born 28/9/1889 according to that. Inferred wife Alice born 1982. 1892. Inferred daughter Violet C born 1918. 3 other records blanked Staveley man baptised there 15/10/1890. Edited 31 August , 2022 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6RRF Posted 31 August , 2022 Share Posted 31 August , 2022 46 minutes ago, davidbohl said: That's brilliant, well done all Does the horse photo look suspect as he has a bandolier ? Bandoliers are normal equipment for mounted personnel. Whatever their precise role they were still expected to have a rifle and some means of carrying the ammunition for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Smart Posted 4 September , 2022 Share Posted 4 September , 2022 Whilst your search suggests he was an infantryman which might seem at odds with the horse, the mounted angle could perhaps infer either to him being in the Transport Section (each Infantry battalion had a section with horse-drawn wagons to carry the Bn Equipment, rations stocks etc.) or in a Mounted Infantry Company. The Mounted Infantry were a hang-over from the Boer War were the distances involved saw the infantry forming mounted companies who used horses to increase the range and speed of travel (although they fought as infantry and dismounted -no swords or lances etc: so no fancy cavalry charges). The Infantry maintained this capability after the Boer War with a specialist school in Aldershot and units keeping a cadre capability but the Cavalry were not happy about their encroachment into cavalry capabilities and were reluctant to supply the horses, Farrier support etc - with this lack of support and downright opposition, this infantry capability had petered out by 1913. The Transport Sections, however, continued in the Infantry Battalions throughout the Great War. The Bandolier along with other elements such as jodhpurs, riding boots were part of the issue to both Mounted Infantry and Transport Sections and can often be seen mixed in amongst the ranks in photos of infantry units, Attached is one of my Great Grandfather (Albert Fyfe: seated left) in the Seaforth Highlanders Mounted Infantry Unit in 1904/5 -note the Bandoliers, riding boots and crops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 September , 2022 Share Posted 4 September , 2022 (edited) The soldier who is the topic of this thread is Territorial Force, whose infantry did not maintain a mounted infantry (MI) section, but established instead cyclist sections (in some cases whole battalions). Ergo on this particular occasion MI are not relevant in terms of attempting to identify the man’s unit. Edited 4 September , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Smart Posted 4 September , 2022 Share Posted 4 September , 2022 Frogsmile, Many thanks for the clarification - ever expanding my knowledge on these things. ....so maybe Transport Section then? Regards Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 September , 2022 Share Posted 4 September , 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lee Smart said: Frogsmile, Many thanks for the clarification - ever expanding my knowledge on these things. ....so maybe Transport Section then? Regards Lee Yes, possibly so Lee. My understanding is that for annual camps TF infantry units hired sufficient horses to practise some of the functions of the transport, but never to full establishment (which was substantial). They only received a full establishment of wagons, and draught animals on mobilisation (most coming from the enormous mobilisation depot at Weedon). Edited 4 September , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acknown Posted 4 September , 2022 Share Posted 4 September , 2022 If it's of any help, 'No Labour, No Battle', John Starling and Ivor Lee 2014, tells us that LC number 53838 would have joined LC Feb-Mar 18. Acknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjwmacro Posted 5 September , 2022 Share Posted 5 September , 2022 On 04/09/2022 at 11:37, Lee Smart said: Attached is one of my Great Grandfather (Albert Fyfe: seated left) in the Seaforth Highlanders Mounted Infantry Unit in 1904/5 -note the Bandoliers, riding boots and crops. Maybe off thread topic - but great photos Lee. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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