Ivor Anderson Posted 8 October , 2022 Share Posted 8 October , 2022 (edited) Sgt. William W. Anderson 48252 RE 1915 star roll shows he entered France 24 July 1915, discharged to Reserve 7 March 1919. Got the WW1 trio. Other than his medal card, and 1915 & BWM/VM rolls I know nothing about him: second name? place of origin, RE unit? MIC off Ancestry: Edited 12 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 8 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 8 October , 2022 (edited) L/Cpl Ronald MacDonald 48253 was with 83rd Field Coy RE and died 22 Feb 1916: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/440489/ronald-macdonald/ He entered France the day after William: Pnr J. Borthwick 48246 also served with 83rd Field Co. RE. Died on 3 Nov 1917: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/243360/j-borthwick/ Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 8 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 8 October , 2022 (edited) Several others in the same no. range got the Military Medal during WW1: 48234 Sgt. Joseph Leonard Stanier - 12th Div Signal Co. - surviving service record 48236 Cpl William Frederick Leonard Saunders - 12th Div Signal Co. - surviving service record 48239 Spr Albert Tilbury MM & Bar - 12th Div Signal Co. 48265 Sgt. John Elliot DCM MM - 21st Div Signals Service Edited 8 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) The 1915 star roll (Ancestry) shows others from the RE with similar numbers who went to France around the same time: Spr Harry West 48248 entered France the same day as William Anderson. He has 2 pension cards. Spr Reginald King 48258 also entered France on the 24 July 1915. He was has pension cards and was from Maidenhead. Spr. Arthur Henry Howarth 48262 entered France on the 24 July 1915. He has pension cards. Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: L/Cpl Ronald MacDonald 48253 was with 83rd Field Coy RE and died 22 Feb 1916 83rd Field Co. RE went to France with the 20th Division around 24/25th July 1915: http://www.reubique.com/83fc.htm I am working on the hypothesis that William Anderson 48252 went to France with 83rd FC RE. 19 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: Pnr J. Borthwick 48246 also served with 83rd Field Co. RE. Died on 3 Nov 1917 Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) Sgt George Pepall 48829 of the 83rd FC RE won the MM in 1916 - The National Archives' reference WO 372/23/153299 He died 28 March 1918: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/520082/g-pepall/ He has a surviving service record, Attested at Oxford 8th September 1914 aged 32 and 2 months, went to France 24 July 1915 (MIC says 25 July 1915) https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1219&h=1594949&tid=&pid=&queryId=1636aa82879ac32f59c0b24552767154&usePUB=true&_phsrc=qzF2439&_phstart=successSource Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankie Posted 9 October , 2022 Share Posted 9 October , 2022 20 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: Sgt. William W. Anderson 48252 RE 1915 star roll shows he entered France 24 July 1915, discharged to Reserve 7 March 1919. Got the WW1 trio. Other than his medal card, and 1915 & BWM/VM rolls I know nothing about him: second name? place of origin, RE unit? MIC off Ancestry: I see i wont need to send any details to you with the medal Ivor I couldnt find anything else on him either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 3 hours ago, tankie said: I see i wont need to send any details to you with the medal Ivor I couldnt find anything else on him either Thanks Tankie, Hopefully the game is afoot! Watch this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) Checking 83rd Field Co. RE war diary: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7353085 As I expected they sailed from England on 24th July 1915 on the SS Connaught, and disembarked at Le Havre on the 25th, so either date could be on the MIC Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) Pepall's was one of 3 MMs to the 83rd FC RE in October 1916: 3 more at the end of April 1917: 2 MM citations at the end of Sept 1917: 2 more MMs at end of April 1918: End of May 1918: 2 MSMs at end of June 1918: Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 For a company of c200 men, over 50 of them were killed in WW1: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/search-results/?Surname=&Forename=&Initials=&ServiceNum=&Regiment=royal+engineers&Unit=83rd&CountryCommemoratedIn=null&Cemetery=&Rank=&SecondaryRegiment=&AgeOfDeath=0&DateDeathFromDay=1&DateDeathFromMonth=January&DateDeathFromYear=&DateDeathToDay=1&DateDeathToMonth=January&DateDeathToYear=&DateOfDeath=&Honours=null&AdditionalInfo=&Page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 9 October , 2022 Share Posted 9 October , 2022 Ivor At the end of the WD of 20 Div CRE (WO 95/2104) there are lists of Honours and Awards and Casualties for all the Field Companies but not the Sigs Co. I am sure that my gf was wounded serving with 20 Div RE at Guillemont in September 1916. I can rule out 84 FC since all their wounded are named, whereas 83 FC and 96 FC only name those killed. Ancestry Piece 2104 starts p 164. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) Brian, There are no casualties mentioned in the WD during Sept 1916, but this margin entry is on 7 Oct 1916: I assume you checked the online casualty lists? Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 9 October , 2022 Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) Ivor, you are persisting although I cannot help with anything specific to your namesake. However if you are researching members of 83rd Field Co RE then a surprising number of hits(197) come up on FindmyPast including a lot of service records. Ok there are duplications and transcription errors but could be of use? Here's the search result: ..sorry, cannot get link to replicate. Anyway use Regiment 'Royal Engineers' and keyword "83rd Field" and you should get the 197 hits ! Charlie Edited 9 October , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 9 October , 2022 Share Posted 9 October , 2022 Ivor Yes. My gf is named in the Times OCL 11/10/1916 under Wounded - RE, as are all those named in the list for 84 FC wounded on 03/09/1916 in the CRE WD. It is the only OCL in the Times where I found 20 Div RE wounded at Guillemont. I have researched every name in that OCL. 83 FC were initially in reserve during the assault and so did not have the casualties of 84 and 96 FC. I think my GF was 96 FC. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, charlie962 said: use Regiment 'Royal Engineers' and keyword "83rd Field" and you should get the 197 hits ! Thanks Charlie, unfortunately I'm not on FMP at present. I'll keep that in mind. Not sure how to proceed with William Anderson. 1 hour ago, brianmorris547 said: My gf is named in the Times OCL 11/10/1916 under Wounded - RE The 83rd did move into Guillimont on the 3rd Sept, after the attack - around 3pm, and worked until daylight. This death on 29 August is not in the WD: No mention in the WD of these on 9 Oct either: Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 9 October , 2022 Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) Ivor When I researched the OCL 11/10/1916 I found that those of 20 Div RE with a 1914-15 date of 23/07/1915 were 84 FC, 24/07 were 96 FC and 25/07 were 83 FC. This is where there were surviving Service or Pension records. 47161 Christmas Phillips, 25/07/1915, has papers in WO 363. He is also on Casualty List HA 2336 which I posted on that Thread but here it is again. It shows 83 FC. 48840 Ernest Reid, 25/07/1915 also has papers in WO 363. The AF B 103 shows wounded 03/09/1916 83 FC. There are three others on the OCL with a date of 25/07/1915. 46190 Albert Beard, 89420 George Gough and 48260 George R Lawrence. My gf was 83123 John Morris who originally enlisted into 30 Div RE but did not go to France in November 1915. Some 200 County Palatine RE were kept back at Larkhill as reserves and then got swallowed up into the system. There is another original 30 Div RE man on the OCL, 83090 John W Mabbott. He has no 1914-15 Star. He and my gf would have found themselves at 4 General Base Depot RE in early 1916 and perhaps both were posted to 20 Div RE. Brian Edited 9 October , 2022 by brianmorris547 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, brianmorris547 said: those of 20 Div RE with a 1914-15 date of 23/07/1915 were 84 FC, 24/07 were 96 FC and 25/07 were 83 FC. OK, so William Anderson could be 96 FC. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7353087 Apparently they embarked on 23rd, so disembarked on 24th? http://www.reubique.com/96fc.htm 12 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: Spr Harry West 48248 entered France the same day as William Anderson. He has 2 pension cards. Perhaps Harry West's pension cards may mention his unit? Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 9 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 9 October , 2022 (edited) Like James Hodkinson 48288 (96th FC): https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/518373/j-hodkinson/ disembarked 24 July 1915 (MIC & star roll). One of over 120 of 96th FC who died: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/search-results/?Surname=&Forename=&Initials=&ServiceNum=&Regiment=engineers&Unit=96th&CountryCommemoratedIn=null&Cemetery=&Rank=&SecondaryRegiment=&AgeOfDeath=0&DateDeathFromDay=1&DateDeathFromMonth=January&DateDeathFromYear=&DateDeathToDay=1&DateDeathToMonth=January&DateDeathToYear=&DateOfDeath=&Honours=null&AdditionalInfo= Though 48542 Thomas Wray and 48457 James Christon of 96th FC both have 23 July 1915 as their entry date - embarkation date perhaps? The 96th FC RE war diary only starts on 2 August 1915. Edited 9 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 12 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2022 The silver war medal of William W. Anderson: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankie Posted 12 October , 2022 Share Posted 12 October , 2022 Glad it arrived safely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 12 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2022 (edited) Thank you. Just arrived this morning. Working on the revised theory that he was with 96th FC RE. e.g. Spr Charles Edwin Chapman 45642 landed in France on 24 July 1915 with the 96th FC. He died shortly after on 5 August 1915: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/268077/c-e-chapman/ Others on the same page (1915 star, Ancestry) have the same entry date as William Anderson: Cecil Trevivian has a surviving pension record showing he was with 96th FC RE: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1114/images/MIUK1914A_118725-00929?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=c4decdcf00facce1f418618bdcb8211e&usePUB=true&_phsrc=qzF2488&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1012858 Edited 12 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankie Posted 12 October , 2022 Share Posted 12 October , 2022 15 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said: Thank you. Just arrived this morning. Working on the revised theory that he was with 96th FC RE. e.g. Spr Charles Edwin Chapman 45642 landed in France on 24 July 1915 with the 96th FC. He died shortly after on 5 August 1915: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/268077/c-e-chapman/ Others on the same page (1915 star, Ancestry) have the same entry date as William Anderson: Cecil Trevivian has a surviving pension record showing he was with 96th FC RE: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1114/images/MIUK1914A_118725-00929?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=c4decdcf00facce1f418618bdcb8211e&usePUB=true&_phsrc=qzF2488&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1012858 Nice one an i think you could be on the right track there with that :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 12 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2022 (edited) Here's hoping! Charles Chapman 45642 - wounded on the 4th doing trench work. Died on the 5th in 19th Field Ambulance: Edited 12 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 12 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2022 (edited) 2/Cpl Herbert Kitchener 49661 landed in France on 24 July 1915 with the 96th FC RE. He won the MM (LG 9 Dec 1916): https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29854/supplement/12048 (For the Somme Sept/early Oct 1916) but died on 5th October 1916: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/798630/herbert-kitchener/ Edited 12 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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