3 Troop, C Squadron, 11th Hussars

[mrfrank]

This photograph may be of some interest to forum members - a fortuitous recent acquisition insofar as the auctioneers had not referenced it or provided an image of it in a Lot of ‘military photographs’.

A named original photo taken by photographer F. Scovell of Aldershot of 3 Troop, C Squadron, 11th Hussars - the Troop which was to charge the German guns towards the end of the action at Nery on 1st September 1914. 
Taken between Feb 1913 & the outbreak of war.

Unfortunately, surnames only with no initials to aid positive identification and with a couple of spelling mistakes thrown in, but having referenced the medal rolls and the C Squadron embarkation list of Aug 1914, and for future searches, the following is my best attempt thus far at identifying those present:

2nd Lt Charles Willoughby Moke-Norrie

Squadron Sergeant Major Evelyn Whyard Joslin 4457

Sgt Sydney Standen 1647

Sgt Guy Hailey 556 (killed in action 21st December 1914 aged 26)

SS Cpl Warren Wright 5631

L Cpl Ernest Bridger 1987

L Cpl Harold Evans 9401

L Cpl Payne (multiple options)

L Cpl Wheeler (either William Edward 5722 or Arthur 4900)

Pte William E Beswick 10378 (killed in action 22nd March 1918 aged 22)

Pte Clarke (multiple options)

Pte Alfred Foulkes 3307

Pte Thomas French 9590

Pte William Godwin 2996

Pte George H Jefferies 9932

Pte Jones  (multiple options)

Pte Michael McCormack 3957

Pte William Munday 8800

Pte Newton (possibly W Newton 9981)

Pte Reeves (either Thomas Reeves 7933 or Pte Reeves 8479) 

Pte Percy Simons 9034

Pte Smith (multiple)

Pte William T Souch 6615

Pte Albert J Steele 9810

Pte Thomas (multiple)

Pte Thomas Ward 5661

Pte Horace Wardle 9374

Pte Arthur S Watts 6726

Pte Frederick White 5559

Pte Arthur Woolnough 9225

Bandsman Christopher Delamore 5231

Bandsman Edward H Oakley 10867

 

 

 

Edited 8 October , 2023 by mrfrank

[PRC]

Matched up to the 1911 Census of England & Wales return for the 11^th Hussars at Shorncliffe unless otherwise stated.

2nd Lt Charles Willoughby Moke-Norrie – no match

Squadron Sergeant Major Evelyn Whyard Joslin 4457 .  Sergeant Evelyn Whyaid Joslin, aged 29, married, born Maldon, Essex.

Sgt Sydney Standen 1647 ­– Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Lance Corporal Sydney Standen, aged 25, single, born Gouldhurst, Kent.

Sgt Guy Hailey 556 (killed in action 21st December 1914 aged 26)  - Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Corporal Guy Hailey, aged 24, single, born Brackley, Northamptonshire.

SS Cpl Warren Wright 5631 – Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Shoeing Smith Warren Wright, aged 25, single, born Swavesey, Cambridgeshire.

L Cpl Ernest Bridger 1987  - Recorded at Canterbury Depot. Private Ernest Bridger, aged 23, single, born Brighton.

L Cpl Harold Evans 9401 – no match.

L Cpl Payne (multiple options)  - no match

L Cpl Wheeler (either William Edward 5722 or Arthur 4900)

Pte William E Beswick 10378 (killed in action 22nd March 1918 aged 22) -  no match

Pte Clarke (multiple options) Possibly Private Joseph Clarke, aged 21, single, born Lewis, Sussex. Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars.Private Bert Clarke, (18, single, born Northampton).

Pte Alfred Foulkes 3307  Private Albert Foulkes, aged 40, married, born Leeds, Yorkshire.

Pte Thomas French 9590  - No match.

Pte William Godwin 2996 – Private William Godwin, aged 23, single, born Blanchardstown, Dublin.

Pte George H Jefferies 9932 – No match

Pte Jones  (multiple options) Possible Private John Frederick Jones, aged 22, single, born London. Middlesex. Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Private Austin Jones, (24, single, born St. Helens, Lancashire) / Private Charles Harrison Jones, (25, single, born Manchester) and Robert John Jones, (22, single, born St. Pancras, London).

Pte Michael McCormack 3957  - Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Private Michael McCormack, (22, single, born Dublin).

Pte William Munday 8800 – No match

Pte Newton (possibly W Newton 9981) -  No match

Pte Reeves (either Thomas Reeves 7933 or Pte Reeves 8479)  - No match.

Pte Percy Simons 9034 – No match

Pte Smith (multiple) – Private Edgar Williams, (24, single, born Croydon, Sussex) / Private George Arthur Smith, (18, single, born Eastbourne, Sussex) / Private Jack Smith, (20, single, born Arneton, Isle of Wight) and Private Lamont(?) Smith, (22, single, born Aberdeen). And Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Private Ernest Henry Smith, (21, single, born East Ham, London) / George Smith, (21, single, born Wokingham, Berkshire)/ Private Henry Smith, (19, single, born Putney, Middlesex) / Private Hugh Smith, (25, single, born Halifax, Yorkshire) and Private Thomas Smith, (23, single, born Boston, Lincolnshire).

Pte William T Souch 6615 – No match.

Pte Albert J Steele 9810 – No match

Pte Thomas (multiple) – No match

Pte Thomas Ward 5661 – Part of a Mixed Cavalry Barrack at the Wellington Lines, Aldershot. Unit shown as 11^th Hussars. Private Thomas Ward, aged 26, married, born Clerkenwell, London.

Pte Horace Wardle 9374 -  No match

Pte Arthur S Watts 6726 -  No match

Pte Frederick White 5559 – No match

Pte Arthur Woolnough 9225 – No match

Bandsman Christopher Delamore 5231  - Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars.Private Christopher Delamore, aged 22, single, born Roscommon, County Boyle.

Bandsman Edward H Oakley 10867 – no match

Cheers,
Peter

[FROGSMILE]

A super photo and especially interesting for me in that it demonstrates that the 11th Hussars officers opted for the new, ‘Type B’ pattern of Blue Patrol uniform** when it was introduced as an option in the 1911 Dress Regulations for officers of the Army.  Seated next to the officer is the Troop Sergeant Major with fencing and gymnastics prize, who is wearing the OR’s version of blue patrol jacket.

**with open, stepped rever collar, white shirt, and corded black silk necktie.

Edited 9 October , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[mrfrank]

22 hours ago, PRC said:

Matched up to the 1911 Census of England & Wales return for the 11^th Hussars at Shorncliffe unless otherwise stated.

 

2nd Lt Charles Willoughby Moke-Norrie – no match

Squadron Sergeant Major Evelyn Whyard Joslin 4457 .  Sergeant Evelyn Whyaid Joslin, aged 29, married, born Maldon, Essex.

Sgt Sydney Standen 1647 ­– Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Lance Corporal Sydney Standen, aged 25, single, born Gouldhurst, Kent.

Sgt Guy Hailey 556 (killed in action 21st December 1914 aged 26)  - Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Corporal Guy Hailey, aged 24, single, born Brackley, Northamptonshire.

SS Cpl Warren Wright 5631 – Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Shoeing Smith Warren Wright, aged 25, single, born Swavesey, Cambridgeshire.

L Cpl Ernest Bridger 1987  - Recorded at Canterbury Depot. Private Ernest Bridger, aged 23, single, born Brighton.

L Cpl Harold Evans 9401 – no match.

L Cpl Payne (multiple options)  - no match

L Cpl Wheeler (either William Edward 5722 or Arthur 4900)

 

Pte William E Beswick 10378 (killed in action 22nd March 1918 aged 22) -  no match

Pte Clarke (multiple options) Possibly Private Joseph Clarke, aged 21, single, born Lewis, Sussex. Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars.Private Bert Clarke, (18, single, born Northampton).

Pte Alfred Foulkes 3307  Private Albert Foulkes, aged 40, married, born Leeds, Yorkshire.

Pte Thomas French 9590  - No match.

Pte William Godwin 2996 – Private William Godwin, aged 23, single, born Blanchardstown, Dublin.

Pte George H Jefferies 9932 – No match

Pte Jones  (multiple options) Possible Private John Frederick Jones, aged 22, single, born London. Middlesex. Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Private Austin Jones, (24, single, born St. Helens, Lancashire) / Private Charles Harrison Jones, (25, single, born Manchester) and Robert John Jones, (22, single, born St. Pancras, London).

Pte Michael McCormack 3957  - Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Private Michael McCormack, (22, single, born Dublin).

Pte William Munday 8800 – No match

Pte Newton (possibly W Newton 9981) -  No match

Pte Reeves (either Thomas Reeves 7933 or Pte Reeves 8479)  - No match.

Pte Percy Simons 9034 – No match

Pte Smith (multiple) – Private Edgar Williams, (24, single, born Croydon, Sussex) / Private George Arthur Smith, (18, single, born Eastbourne, Sussex) / Private Jack Smith, (20, single, born Arneton, Isle of Wight) and Private Lamont(?) Smith, (22, single, born Aberdeen). And Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars. Private Ernest Henry Smith, (21, single, born East Ham, London) / George Smith, (21, single, born Wokingham, Berkshire)/ Private Henry Smith, (19, single, born Putney, Middlesex) / Private Hugh Smith, (25, single, born Halifax, Yorkshire) and Private Thomas Smith, (23, single, born Boston, Lincolnshire).

Pte William T Souch 6615 – No match.

Pte Albert J Steele 9810 – No match

Pte Thomas (multiple) – No match

Pte Thomas Ward 5661 – Part of a Mixed Cavalry Barrack at the Wellington Lines, Aldershot. Unit shown as 11^th Hussars. Private Thomas Ward, aged 26, married, born Clerkenwell, London.

 

Pte Horace Wardle 9374 -  No match

Pte Arthur S Watts 6726 -  No match

Pte Frederick White 5559 – No match

Pte Arthur Woolnough 9225 – No match

 

Bandsman Christopher Delamore 5231  - Recorded at Lydd, Kent with the 11^th Hussars.Private Christopher Delamore, aged 22, single, born Roscommon, County Boyle.

Bandsman Edward H Oakley 10867 – no match

Cheers,
Peter

 

Thanks for the extra information Peter. Much appreciated and added to the notes I have! 
Mike 

[stephen p nunn]

Evelyn Whyard Joslin born in Heybridge in 1882 and lived (as a child) in family home in Hall Road.

[PRC]

On 08/10/2023 at 17:39, mrfrank said:

2nd Lt Charles Willoughby Moke-Norrie

Lieutenant C.W. “Moke Norrie” got a Mention in Depatches, page 5982 Supplement to the London Gazette, 22 June, 1915. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29200/supplement/5982

This list of names relates to Sir John Frenchs’ despatch dated 5^th April 1915, as stated on page 5975.

This was Sir Johns seventh despatch and covered February and March 1915, including the Battle of Neuve Chappelle. https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/battles/british-field-commanders-despatches/sir-john-frenchs-seventh-despatch-neuve-chapelle/

A Captain C.W. “Moke-Norrie” M.C. also received a Mention in Despatches while serving on the Staff (‘Commands 9 Staff’), London Gazette 20^th December 1918 page 14931 – MiD card at the National Archive. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6518929
(The actual appearance in the list just shows 11^th Hussars) https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31077/supplement/14931

Became Baron Norrie – see Wikipedia page with images from later in life here which adds

“Educated at Eton College and at the Royal Military College, Sandhurst, he was commissioned as a second lieutenant into the British Army's 11th Hussars in 1913. He served in the First World War, in which he was awarded the Distinguished Service Order, the Military Cross and Bar, was twice mentioned in despatches, and was wounded four times. He became, successively, a Staff Captain in the 73rd Brigade; General Staff Officer Grade 3 (GSO3) in XVIII Corps; brigade major in the 90th Brigade, and in the 2nd Tank Brigade; and second GSO in the 2nd Battalion, Tank Corps. In January 1919 he changed his name by deed poll from Moke-Norrie to Norrie.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willoughby_Norrie,_1st_Baron_Norrie

Also see a (low quality) picture of him from the 1930’s when he commanded the 10^th Hussars in India at https://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/10thhussarscharlesnorrie.htm

Nothing obviously for him in the Eton College online archive.

His gazetting as a Second Lieutenant in the 11^th Hussars, effective 5^th February 1913, appears on page 845 of The London Gazette, 4^th February, 1913.. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28687/page/845/data.pdf

However while others from Eton College who were at Sandhurst get a mention in the February and March 1913 editions of the Eton College Chronicles, Moke-Norrie is not one of them. https://archives.etoncollege.com/authenticated/Browse.aspx?BrowseID=140&tableName=ta_chronicles

Perhaps a forum member like @delta may be aware of other Great War images from his time on the staff of the Tanks Corps.

Cheers,
Peter

[delta]

Thanks for the "pointer" 

I regret I have not heard of Moke Norrie before but will see what I can find

[Chrisdela]

Thankyou very much. My grandfather Christopher Delamore bandsman us in the photo. 

[mrfrank]

45 minutes ago, Chrisdela said:

Thankyou very much. My grandfather Christopher Delamore bandsman us in the photo. 

PM sent.

[mrfrank]

On 17/03/2024 at 12:14, Chrisdela said:

Thankyou very much. My grandfather Christopher Delamore bandsman us in the photo. 

Images sent Chris……..check your spam/junk if not in the in-box.

All the best,

Mike