GARY BROAD Posted 27 January Share Posted 27 January Morning all, I'm researching an old-school, old-boy for a CWGC For Evermore story and would really appreciate some help and guidance in terms of his service record... All I can find is that he served as a 2nd Lieut. (temp) in the 17th Bn of the Kings (Liverpool Regiment) and also as an Acting Sergeant, Lieut. in the Army Vetinary Corps. Apologies for my lack of understanding, but does that suggest he started as a Vetinary Corps NCO and then got attached/transferred to the Kings and promoted on a temporary basis to Lieutenant?? Would that make sense? Any help would be gratefully appreciated - thanks! Gary B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrmh Posted 27 January Share Posted 27 January Hi Gary, it appears his long service papers are available from https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1133667 A visit to Kew or request a copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY BROAD Posted 27 January Author Share Posted 27 January Jrmh, thanks so much for that. As I'm new to this type of research, if I request a Page Search with the NA - how should I word my request? (apologies for my ignorance, I'm still learning - very keen though - and like an excited puppy when I actually manage to find something!) I think I read that it's £8.00 per page.... so I can request a few and it would still be cheaper than a visit to Kew! Thanks again for your help, It really is very much appreciated. All the best, Gary B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrmh Posted 27 January Share Posted 27 January I’m not sure of the exact process, the other option is to use an independent researcher - there may be someone on this forum who might be able to help you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY BROAD Posted 27 January Author Share Posted 27 January Thanks again - I've just downloaded the War Diary which confirms his death (on a different date to the one I had) in a "working party on the frontline." I think the process of requesting his service file is simple enough but its the the terminology to use that I'm a tad baffled by! Gary B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 27 January Admin Share Posted 27 January 2 minutes ago, GARY BROAD said: Thanks again - I've just downloaded the War Diary which confirms his death (on a different date to the one I had) in a "working party on the frontline." I think the process of requesting his service file is simple enough but its the the terminology to use that I'm a tad baffled by! Gary B Don't use the TNA Kew copying service - enlist the help of an independent researcher - much quicker and a lot cheaper. If you search the forum you will find numerous references to ones members have previously used successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY BROAD Posted 27 January Author Share Posted 27 January That's brilliant advice, thanks David - very much appreciated! All the best, Gary B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrmh Posted 27 January Share Posted 27 January https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/297501-researchers-at-the-national-archives/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 27 January Share Posted 27 January (edited) 2 hours ago, GARY BROAD said: All I can find is that he served as a 2nd Lieut. (temp) in the 17th Bn of the Kings (Liverpool Regiment) and also as an Acting Sergeant, Lieut. in the Army Vetinary Corps. Apologies for my lack of understanding, but does that suggest he started as a Vetinary Corps NCO and then got attached/transferred to the Kings and promoted on a temporary basis to Lieutenant?? Would that make sense? It does makes sense ... off his MIC Image thanks to Ancestry No Rank Service Overseas As only a BWM & VM he must have gone to France after 31/12/1915 [the dotted x indicates the rank and regt to be put on his medals] His London Gazette commissioning entry https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30073/supplement/4763 The undermentioned cadets to be temp. 2nd Lts. (attd.). 26th Apr. 1917 INFANTRY ... L'pool R.— ... Thomas Hanson Averill. M Edited 27 January by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 27 January Share Posted 27 January (edited) @GARY BROAD -- I don't know if you have seen this with regard to Thomas: Second Lieutenant Thomas AVERILL | Remember The Fallen Thomas Hanson Averill | Liverpool Pals Edited 27 January by Allan1892 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY BROAD Posted 28 January Author Share Posted 28 January 22 hours ago, Matlock1418 said: It does makes sense ... off his MIC Image thanks to Ancestry No Rank Service Overseas As only a BWM & VM he must have gone to France after 31/12/1915 [the dotted x indicates the rank and regt to be put on his medals] His London Gazette commissioning entry https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30073/supplement/4763 The undermentioned cadets to be temp. 2nd Lts. (attd.). 26th Apr. 1917 INFANTRY ... L'pool R.— ... Thomas Hanson Averill. M Matlock 1418 - thanks so much for this info, I couldn't find this anywhere! What does the term "No Rank Service Overseas" actually mean? The War Diary states he was killed on the frontline whilst part of a working party (with his rank of 2nd Lt quoted) and he's buried in Belgium so he was obviously KIA over there, so what do you reckon "No Rank Service Overseas" refers to? Gary B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY BROAD Posted 28 January Author Share Posted 28 January 21 hours ago, Allan1892 said: @GARY BROAD -- I don't know if you have seen this with regard to Thomas: Second Lieutenant Thomas AVERILL | Remember The Fallen Thomas Hanson Averill | Liverpool Pals Allan 1892 - many thanks for this (you've given me just what I was after!!) Brilliant, thanks again! All the best, Gary B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 28 January Share Posted 28 January (edited) 3 hours ago, GARY BROAD said: What does the term "No Rank Service Overseas" actually mean? It means he didn't serve overseas in the ranks/as a A/Sgt [ie. with the AOC even though that is written on the MIC and might have been impressed/stamped on his medals had he first served O/S with them as it initially it might appear from the ordering]. All his overseas service was actually as an officer so his medals' rims would be impressed as 2 Lt [Liverpool Regt] - as marked by the dotted X M Edited 28 January by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY BROAD Posted 28 January Author Share Posted 28 January M, brilliant, thanks for explaining that, I get it now. Fantastic help mate, much appreciated!! Gary B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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