Glenn J Posted 11 April Share Posted 11 April 15 hours ago, Michael Lowrey said: He should also have later qualified for the U-boat War Badge. Indeed, he did Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 11 April Author Share Posted 11 April (edited) Michael, Ernst Kreiger what dates was he on UC 23 as Wachoffizier The only Wachoffizier for UC 23, I have is Paul Groeger from Aug 1917 to 1918 So he must be before that date? Also what about "Lecturer at the Navy Academy at Canakkale" or Deniz Harp Okulu, but that was in Istanbul, unless a sub branch was at Canakkale? Then again maybe the wording is incorrect and it should be the Naval High School (Deniz Lisesi) on an island in the Sea or Marmara, during the war under German control with; Böcking Kurt Kapt-Lt Marine Instructor Marine Schule Halki (School) shown commander Deniz Lisesi (Naval High School) or Imperial Naval School (Mekteb-i Bahriye-i Sahane) on Heybeliada Island Sea of Marmara 8-17 to 11-18 1917-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine trained naval cadets for the Turkish Naval Academy shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 Todays possibly harder Kühne ObLt OzbV ADC (Adjt) to Maj Willmer at Kiretch Tepe 1915-16 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Kümmerling (or Christoph) Wachtmeister Offiziersstellvertreter (Deputy officer) Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando) see Christoph 1915-16 awarded Ottoman Silver Liakat Medal 12-10-15 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Christoph (see Kümmerling) Wachtmeister Offiziersstellvertreter (Deputy officer) Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando Usedom) see Kümmerling 1915-16 awarded Ottoman Silver Liakat Medal 12-10-15 (not identified) another who could not be found in the records under that name and details? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Küssner Lotar (Lothar) LtzS Marine Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando) - Mines clearance command - in special forces in Istanbul mines 1-15 to 10-18 - 1st Mine Sweeping Sqn in Istanbul 1915-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Küster ObAssistenzarzt (Kapt) Marine Oberassistenzarzt Medical Coastal Inspectorate 1915-16 Kaiserliche Marine awarded Ottoman Silver Liakat Medal 10-15 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book (not identified)? Edited 11 April by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 12 April Share Posted 12 April Lotar Küssner, born October 11, 1895, entered service November 1913, Leutnat der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie February 25, 1918, so most of the time in theater he wasn't yet an officer. He’s listed as with the minesweeping division Bosporus from January or February 1915 to June 1916, then with the Sonderkommando Türkei to January 1918, then back to the minesweeping division Bosporus for the rest of the war. Out of service January 21, 1920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 12 April Share Posted 12 April (edited) Prof. Dr. Hermann Küster, born June 2, 1879, entered service April 1, 1899, is another messy one. Marine-Underarzt der Seewehr 2 on March 31, 1903, promoted to Marine-Assistenarzt der Seewehr 2. on October 13, 1914, Marine-Oberassistenarzt der Seewehr 1. on June 17, 1915, Marine-Stabsarzt der Seewehr 1. on August 20, 1917. March 18, 1915, travels to Constantinople, Fort Sed ul Bahr and Fenisheher (Dardanelles), medical officer to November 1916, then apparently leaves theater. Zur verfugung to March 1917, out of service March 1, 1917 (note his promotion to Stabsarzt is after going back out of service). German decoration in by August 1916 is the EK2, not change by early 1918. Edited 12 April by Michael Lowrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 12 April Share Posted 12 April Kurt Böckling, born March 4, 1886, Crew 1904, Kapitänleutnant October 17, 1915. on cruisers Kolberg and Regensburg to May 1915. He's in theater from August or September 1917 to the end, listed as first zir Verfugung of the Mittelmeerdivision then German commander at the Turkish naval school at Halki. The exact date he gets to Halki isn't specified in the Ehrenrangliste. Out of service July 14, 1919. German decoration in early 1918 is just the EK2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 12 April Share Posted 12 April 1 hour ago, Michael Lowrey said: is another messy one. and it gets messier! His promotion to Marine-Oberassistenzarzt on 17 June 1915 was "provisionally without a Patent". He received his substantive promotion to that rank on 22 July 1917 with seniority of 9 July 1912 which pre-dates his original commissioning date to Marine-Assistenzarzt and also after he left active service. Holder of the silver Liakat with swords and war medal. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 12 April Author Share Posted 12 April Cheers I take it this bloke can't be found? Kühne ObLt OzbV ADC (Adjt) to Maj Willmer at Kiretch Tepe 1915-16 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Michael I notice the write up in Wiki of; Hermann Küttner (born October 10, 1870 in Berlin ; † October 10, 1932 in Munich ) was a German surgeon and university professor. Navy Senior Surgeon General 1920 Are we talking about the same man? Todays Küster Erich WO (Ing) Marine Ingenieur (Engineer officer) SMS Goeben (Yavuz) Mühendis Subay 1914-15 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine RTG illness 11-15 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Landmann Gustav Lt Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando Usedom) Artillery officer - Coastal Artillery 1916-17 possibly Matrosenartillerie Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Landsberg Kapt-LtzS Marine Pilot Airforce shown 1st Aircraft Company at Gallipoli (1st Aircraft Company Tayyare Boluk) possibly German Naval Seaplane Group (GNSG) (Wasserfliegerabteilung) SFS Chanak? 1915-18 Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book (not identified)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 12 April Share Posted 12 April Prof. Dr. Hermann Küttner is very much a different guy than Prof. Dr. Hermann Küster. To put it simply, Küttner was one of the very top surgeons in Germany around this time. Küttner was a Geheimer Medizinalrat and listed as à la suite of the medical branch of the Kaiserliche Marine with a date of rank in the Ehrenrangliste of January 27, 1913 as a Marine-Generalarzt (Kapitän zur See equivalent in the medical branch). He was a consulting surgeon during the war at several hospitals in the V and VI Korps area, then in the same with role with the Marinekorps Flandern. He’s not in theater according to the Ehrenrangliste. Charakter as Marine-Obergeneralarzt on January 26, 1920. Decorations are the EK1 plus stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 13 April Share Posted 13 April (edited) Erich Küster, born August 31, 1884, entered service October 19104, Marine-Ingenier October 18, 1912. Marine-Oberingenier October 17, 1915. Goeben, watch engineer to December 1915, then back to Germany. Ends the war as (seemingly) the second engineer as he acts when necessary as the acting LI on the cruiser Karlsruhe II. Out of service: September 9, 1920. Charakter as Kapitänleutnat (I) on December 10, 1920. German decoration in early 1918 is the EK2. Edited 13 April by Michael Lowrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 13 April Share Posted 13 April Gustav Landmann, born March 6, 1885, entered October 1906, Oberleutnant der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie January 27, 1915. Sonderkommando Türkei January or February 1916 to June 1917. Out of service January 21, 1920. German decorations in ear;y 1918 are the EK2 and Hesse’s Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 13 April Share Posted 13 April 14 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Landsberg Kapt-LtzS Marine Given the catalogue of errors, misspelt names, incorrect ranks and branches of service and double entries thus encountered, it will come as no surprise to learn that no naval officer of the name Landsberg existed. In my opinion yet another botched misspelt double entry for the officer who is listed on the same page, with the same rank and the same unit: "Lieutenant-Commander"???? Walter Langfeld, born 20 February 1886. Crew of 1904 and a Kapitänleutnant since 17.10.15. With the See-Flieger-Abteilung of the Sonderkommando from July 1916 to July 1917. Retired 24 December 1919. Incidentally, why is the rank of Kapitänleutnant translated as a Lieutenant-Commander? A German naval Kapitänleutnant is the equivalent of an army Hauptmann (captain) and therefore more accurately broadly the equivalent of a British or US naval Lieutenant. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 13 April Share Posted 13 April 1 hour ago, Glenn J said: Incidentally, why is the rank of Kapitänleutnant translated as a Lieutenant-Commander? A German naval Kapitänleutnant is the equivalent of an army Hauptmann (captain) and therefore more accurately broadly the equivalent of a British or US naval Lieutenant. Except that the Royal Navy at the time very much did equate the rank of Kapitänleutnant to a Lieutenant-Commander. See for, example, the Royal navy’s official history series The Naval Staff Monograph. Just randomly, from NSM 18, page 320: On March 18 Lieut.-Commander Steinbrinck left Zeebrugge in U.C.65 to perform another of his striking cruises in the Irish Sea. Otto Steinbrinck was a Kapitänleutnant at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 13 April Share Posted 13 April 48 minutes ago, Michael Lowrey said: Except that the Royal Navy at the time very much did equate the rank of Kapitänleutnant to a Lieutenant-Commander. See for, example, the Royal navy’s official history series The Naval Staff Monograph. Just randomly, from NSM 18, page 320: Because they got it it wrong in a publication a century ago is not an excuse for still getting it wrong now. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 13 April Share Posted 13 April 38 minutes ago, Glenn J said: Because they got it it wrong in a publication a century ago is not an excuse for still getting it wrong now. They didn't get it wrong in a single publication. (And the Naval Staff Monograph is a huge multi-volume official history series that had many people working on.) They got it wrong in many, many publications because The Royal Navy at the time simply regarded a Korvettenkapitän as equaling a Commander and a Kapitänleutnant as equaling a Lieutenant-Commander. Full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 13 April Share Posted 13 April Well Michael, then we must agree to disagree. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 13 April Author Share Posted 13 April Cheers Either way interesting Glenn, he was one of the next ones on the list, what I had on him; Langfeld (Langenfeld) Walter Kapt-Lt Marine Pilot Airforce OC German Naval Seaplane Group (GNSG) (Wasserfliegerabteilung) 9-15 to SFS Kavak seaplane detachment 1-16 - Bogazlar Özel güçleri Deniz Uçus birlikleri komutani (Strait Special forces Sea Flight troops commander) Deniz kuvvetleri Bogazlar uçak filolari komutani (Naval Strait Boats aircraft fleet commander) - shown 1st Aircraft Company Tayyare Boluk in Wolf 1916- Kaiserliche Marine Commander of the Navy Straits aircraft fleets (not identified)? (spelling in Ole Nikoljsen) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book So that clears him up. Todays Lange Capt / Hptm (Maj) Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei - Lecturer at Ottoman War Academy to Stabchefs CofS 10th Corps at Erzerum - CofS 10th Corps Caucasus 1914/15 Askeri Akademi'de Ögretmen Sivas'ta 10. Kolordu Kurmay Baskani (Military Academy Teacher Sivas 10th Corps Chief of Staff) 1914-15 (died 1942) RTG to Generalstab 9th Army for the Romanian Campaign 9-16 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Lange Capt / Hptm (Maj) General Stabsoffizier 9th Div 1915- RTG illness shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Lange Paul Capt / Hptm (Maj) Head of the Ottoman Navy Music Corps - Musikabt.Exp.korps 1915-17 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 14 April Share Posted 14 April 10 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Lange Paul Capt / Hptm (Maj) Steve, please see the attached link which gives a decent overview of this chap's life. Not so much a professional soldier or sailor but very much a professional musician. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lange_(musician) Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 14 April Share Posted 14 April 14 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Lange Capt / Hptm (Maj) I think both your Langes are the same guy. Hauptmann Ernst Lange, born 1880, active Prussian infantry and general staff officer. Originally commissioned into Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 27 on 18.8.99. He was transferred to Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 18 on 13 February 1906. Attended the war academy, qualifying for the general staff and was a general staff Hauptmann (22.3.13) when he entered Ottoman service with the Liman mission in 1913. Promoted to Major on 15.2.18, he is listed as the Ic or general staff officer with responsibility for intelligence matters on the staff of the German 9th Army in 1918. He initially remained in the army following the war and is shown as at 1 October 1919 as a battalion commander in Reichswehr-Infanterie-Regiment 6 and later Reichswehr-Infanterie-Regiment 103. Retired in his substantive rank of Major and granted permission to wear the uniform of the general staff on 21 July 1921. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 14 April Author Share Posted 14 April Glenn, Yes I had the same idea 9th Div or 9th Army Todays Lehmann ObLt Pilot Airforce 1st Aircraft Company Tayyare Boluk at Dardanelles 1916- shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Lehmann or Leman Capt / Hptm (LtCol) Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei - Commander Model Artillery Regiment to advises artillery at Gallipoli to Artillery Training Regiment to LtCol 24th FAR (24th Div) also shown 25th FAR (25th Div) 1916-17 1911-18 (died 1939) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Lierau Hermann Kapt-Lt Marine Commander of the Depot Ship "General" 1914-16 Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book While not in Wolf this man showed up Ledeboer Korv-Kapt (Kapt-Lt) Marine Admin Stab officer Stab MMD (Mittelmeer-Division) (Military Mediterranean Division) under Rebeur-Paschwitz 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 14 April Share Posted 14 April (edited) Rudolf Ledebor, born February 21, 1883, Crew 1901, Kapitänleutnant December 9, 1911. Torpedo boat officer that comes to theater July or August 1917 with the Mittelmeerdivision to the end of the war as an admiralty staff officer. Out of service November 24, 1919 with Charakter of a Korvettenkapitän. German decorations in early 1918 are the EK1, Lübeck’s Hanseatic Cross, Mecklenburg-Schwerin's Militärverdienstkreuz 2nd Class, and Mecklenburg-Schwerin’s Verdienstkreuz für Auszeichnung im Krieg 2nd Class. Edited 15 April by Michael Lowrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 15 April Share Posted 15 April Hermann Lienau (note spelling), born September 15, 1868, entered service September 1899 with an October 1891 data in parenthesis, Kapitänleutnant March 21, 1905, out of service at some point before the war. Lienau is another of those out of service officer used during the war without being reinstated into the main active duty officer list. Detachment head on the steamers Könginin Olga and General in Constantinople from August 1914 to December 1916. Member of armistice commission for the Black Sea 1917/1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 15 April Share Posted 15 April 9 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Lehmann or Leman Capt / Hptm (LtCol) Hauptmann (10.9.08) Alfred Hugo Lehmann, born 29 July 1872 in Berlin, formerly of Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 35. Originally commissioned into Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 1 on 18.8.92. A member of the so-called Goltz Mission which preceded that of General von Liman. He retired from Prussian service on 12 January 1911 and entered Ottoman service that year. Retired as an Oberstleutnant. Died 8 May 1939 in Berlin. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 15 April Share Posted 15 April Herr Lienau entered the navy on 3 October 1891. He was promoted to the rank of Vizesteuermann der Reserve on 20.1.94 and commissioned as a reserve officer in the rank of Unterlieutenant* zur See on 21.10.95. He became a regular naval officer on 30 September 1899 with a new Patent of seniority as a Leutnant zur See of 16.2.97 and was promoted the following year to Oberleutnant zur See on 9.4.00. He did not remain in active service long after his promotion to Kapitänleutnant (21.3.05) and retired on 10 June 1905. * A rank in use until 1899 and thereafter replaced by Leutnant zur See.. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 15 April Share Posted 15 April 19 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Lehmann ObLt Pilot Airforce 1st Aircraft Company Tayyare Boluk at Dardanelles Steve, I fear Herr Lehmann maybe a dead-end. I have checked the German aviation casualties of WW1 and "Die Adler des Kaisers im Orient" and nothing jumps out. Unfortunately, Lehmann is a very common surname. We were luckier with Hauptmann Alfred Lehmann. The nearest I could find was Paul Leim, who was in the theatre but not until 1917 with FA 300. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 15 April Author Share Posted 15 April I afraid you maybe right Glenn, I have a number of such men (Airforce) but little on most Ladwig Ernst Gefr Ground crew Airforce Flieger-Abteilung 303 1917-18 (1891 at Görsdorf Angermünde ) verwundet WIA 6-9-17 Landefeld (Baudefeld) Walter Flieger Ground crew Airforce Flieger-Abteilung 301 1917-18 (1898 at Königshütte ) vermißt MIA 20-9-18 possibly PoW (20-9-18) when airfield at Jenin over run Landgraf Georg von Lt deR MA Marine Observer (Beobachter) Matrosenartillerie Airforce I. Seeflieger-Abteilung - Seeflugstation SFS Varna 11-16 to SVK 1-17 1916-17 (born 1879 at Homburg ) Kaiserliche Marine from Bayern Landsberg Kapt-LtzS Marine Pilot Airforce shown 1st Aircraft Company at Gallipoli (1st Aircraft Company Tayyare Boluk) possibly German Naval Seaplane Group (GNSG) (Wasserfliegerabteilung) SFS Chanak? 1915-18 (not identified)? on one by that name possibly see Langfeld (Langenfeld) Walter Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Lang Georg Flieger / Pnr Ground crew Airforce Flieger-Abteilung 304b 1917-18 (1884 at Ludwigsfeld Oberb. ) Bavarian in Gefschaft (in prison) possibly PoW (20-9-18) when airfield at Afoule over run Lang Wilhelm Flugzeugober maat Marine Airforce possibly German Naval Seaplane Group (GNSG) (Wasserfliegerabteilung) SFS Sewastopol 1917-18 (1889 at Gera died 8-11-18) at Sewastopol cause not stated? Kaiserliche Marine Lange (Friedrich Wilhelm) Flug-Ob-Maat Marine pilot Airforce I. Seeflieger-Abteilung to Seeflugstation SFS Constanza 12-16 to SFS Holtenau 1-18 to SFS Kawak 3-18 to SFS Holtenau 6-18 to SFS Odessa / SFS Sewastopol 10-18 1916-18 Kaiserliche Marine awarded EK II and Bulgiarian Medal Lange (Friedrich) Lt deR MA Marine Observer (Beobachter) Matrosenartillerie Airforce I. Seeflieger-Abteilung - Seeflugstation SFS Xanthi 12-17 to LFS Kiel 2-18 1917-18 (born 1886 ) Kaiserliche Marine awarded EK II Langfeld (Langenfeld) Walter Kapt-Lt Marine Pilot Airforce OC German Naval Seaplane Group (GNSG) (Wasserfliegerabteilung) 9-15 to SFS Kavak seaplane detachment 1-16 - Bogazlar Özel güçleri Deniz Uçus birlikleri komutani (Strait Special forces Sea Flight troops commander) Deniz kuvvetleri Bogazlar uçak filolari komutani (Naval Strait Boats aircraft fleet commander) - shown 1st Aircraft Company Tayyare Boluk in Wolf 1916- (born 1886 died ) Kaiserliche Marine Crew 1904 Commander of the Navy Straits aircraft fleets (spelling in Ole Nikoljsen) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Larbig Georg Flieger Feldflieger-Truppe possibly Ground crew Airforce Flieger-Abteilung 300 1916- (born at Archfeld Eschwege ) schwer verwundet (seriously wounded) WIA 1916 possibly when 2 pilots and 8 groundcrew WIA when bombed by 14 Sqn RFC & 17 Sqn RFC in air raid on airfield at El Arish 18-6-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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