caladonia Posted 13 June Share Posted 13 June Hello Poona guard I was thinking that the inverted triangle may have something to do with the occupation Army post war, but the found that the 1/5th KOSB moved to the Lowland Div. I also think that having two different patches in such a short period of time, June 1918 (when it joined 34 Div) and Nov 1918 is rather strange? Can I also say that I am looking forward to your new book, which should hopefully answer many questions such as this. William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poona guard Posted 13 June Share Posted 13 June At the moment I can't answer this one but am thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open Bolt Posted 14 June Share Posted 14 June (edited) Not knowing any better I would also have assumed the chequerboard was the division badge and the blue flash a brigade/battalion marking such as used in the 51st (Highland) Division: Edited 14 June by Open Bolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladonia Posted 14 June Share Posted 14 June Hello there I've been doing some more digging and have found some more info on the 34th div patches. On this old thread is a letter from the 34 Div CO detaing the patches to be worn, dated 1st July 1918. The vertical rectangle patches and div sign are mentioned for 103 brigade, inc 1/5th KOSB. 34 Division but what unit? Possibly Suffolk? - Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum From the AMOT I've found the text form the Haswell Miller plate I posted earlier. In it he mentioned that the three units fom 52 Div, inc the 1/5 KOSB, joined 34 Div on 27/6/18 and left 15/3/19, so dateing the OPs tunic to these dates. AMOT999_WW1_AEHM.HIGHLAND.INFANTRY.2_0024 | The Ogilby Muster As for the inverted triangle patch , I've not been able to find any more mention of it online, perhaps it was worn by the 1/5ths HQ Coy?. William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 14 June Share Posted 14 June 22 minutes ago, caladonia said: Hello there I've been doing some more digging and have found some more info on the 34th div patches. On this old thread is a letter from the 34 Div CO detaing the patches to be worn, dated 1st July 1918. The vertical rectangle patches and div sign are mentioned for 103 brigade, inc 1/5th KOSB. 34 Division but what unit? Possibly Suffolk? - Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum From the AMOT I've found the text form the Haswell Miller plate I posted earlier. In it he mentioned that the three units fom 52 Div, inc the 1/5 KOSB, joined 34 Div on 27/6/18 and left 15/3/19, so dateing the OPs tunic to these dates. AMOT999_WW1_AEHM.HIGHLAND.INFANTRY.2_0024 | The Ogilby Muster As for the inverted triangle patch , I've not been able to find any more mention of it online, perhaps it was worn by the 1/5ths HQ Coy?. William Good work William. Haswell Miller was a very meticulous recorder of detail and so is a particularly reliable source for such details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glengarry1950 Posted 15 June Author Share Posted 15 June (edited) Gentlemen, This letter dated 1st July 1918 is gold dust and confirms the right Divisional Flash and 103 Brigade Flash for 1/5th KOSB are correct to the jacked we hold belonging to Pte Robert Bruce that was handed into us by his family. This raised the question about the KOSB officers service jacked that Murat illustrated in this Thread with the Blue Triangle, but interestingly no Divisional Patch. Caladonia suggested that it could be 1/5th HQ Coy? However, why would one Company wear a completely different sign from the rest of the Battalion and once again there is no Divisional sign on this jacket, this makes me believe it is a jacket from a different time, as the only thing KOSB is the Collar Badges, and Buttons, unless there is a name inside the jacket or any dates then I could research his time in the Regiment, out with that it is hard to attached providence to this jacked, of it belonging to an Officer of the KOSB in 34th Division 103 Brigade WW1 Aye Hiram Edited 15 June by Glengarry1950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glengarry1950 Posted 1 July Author Share Posted 1 July On 13/06/2024 at 19:27, Glengarry1950 said: Hi Poona guard, Not a problem, the next time I am down at the museum, that will be in a few days, but definitely on the 24th of this month, I will take a few shots of the jacket and various bits in close up for your book, I completed my third book on the Regiment the last one was just for the Regimental Museum titled 'Cap Badges and Insignia of the King's Own Scottish Borderers and Associated Volunteer and Militia Units from 1689 until 2006 From the Regimental Museum Collection and others' ,bit of a long title I know, but I also took all the photographs and wrote it up, with lots of historical photos and interesting Appendix's. Aye Hiram Hi Poona, Here as promised are a selection of close-up photographs from Pte Robert Bruce 2nd Bn KOSB later 1/5th Bn KOSB WW1 Jacket, the second photograph was when the jacket was on display in the old museum, prior to the whole collection being packed up in anticipation of the museum's refurbishment, Robert he was wounded three times and after further research he was definitely not a piper, the jacked his medals cap badge along with his TOS and lot of photographs and documents were hand into the museum by his family a few years ago but not accurately documented into the collection, it has now. I hope this is of some assistance if you need additional assistance for your book just ask. Aye Hiram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July Interesting to see an example of the circa 1916 slide-on cloth shoulder titles after they were ordered to be stitched to the strap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glengarry1950 Posted 1 July Author Share Posted 1 July Hi Frogsmile, I thought that also and the jacket is well worn with his name on the inside, so he was attached to it and wore it throughout, also interesting there are no holes to show if he ever wore the 1st/5th Shoulder titles. However, having originally starting out in the 2nd Bn and as an 'Old Contemptable' he was more than likely keeping his original dress on returning for service after recovering from wounds, one of which was in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July (edited) 6 minutes ago, Glengarry1950 said: he was more than likely keeping his original dress on returning for service after recovering from wounds, one of which was in the head. Yes, I too think that’s likely Hiram 👍 Edited 1 July by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poona guard Posted 1 July Share Posted 1 July Brilliant. Thanks for these Hiram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glengarry1950 Posted 1 July Author Share Posted 1 July Your most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glengarry1950 Posted 15 July Author Share Posted 15 July Hi Poona Guard, I thought that you might be interested in this jacket photograph for your book, Susan our museum archivist and interpretations lady is putting together a display of some interesting items in the old officer mess building while the KOSB Regimental Museum is closed for the refurbishment, due to reopen in spring 2027, do not hold your breath, because of the infamous construction word 'slippage' so its anytime after that Cheers Hiram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poona guard Posted 15 July Share Posted 15 July Thank you Hiram. I can use it in the introduction. Best, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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