Michael Lowrey Posted 16 July Share Posted 16 July Henning Beyme, born October 13, 1890, entered service October 1909 on the path to become a commissioned engineering officer. That he did, becoming a Marine-Ingenieur on July 13, 1916 and was promoted to Marine-Oberingenieur May 23, 1918. Straßburg to February 1915, submarine school to May 1915, then on UC 7 and UC 13 to December 1915 (UC 13 grounded on November 29, 1915, though that had no negative impact on Oblt.z.S. Johannes Kirchner or Beyme’s career. It's possible that there's a typo in the Ehrenrangliste and that the (Flanders-based) UC 7 should be UB 7 instead. He’s then on UC 23 to April 1917 and then on UB 52. Note that he’d be bringing UC 23 and UB 52 to the Mediterranean from Germany, and there would be work up time in Germany. Beyme was killed when UB 52 was sunk on May 22, 1918. German decorations in early 1918 are the EK1 and Anhalt’s Friedrich Kreuz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 16 July Share Posted 16 July On 14/07/2024 at 18:11, stevenbecker said: Liedke (possibly Liedtse) Georg Zahlmeister Marine shown Zahlmeister Hilfsarbeiter Kassenverwaltung (cash management) MMD (Military Mediterranean Division) 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 possibly see page 1492 of Ehrenrangliste der Kaiserlich Deutschen Marine from SMS Arcona to depot Ship "General" 3-17 to U Boat Half Flot 4-18 to Sevastopol 4-18 (born 1891 Kaiserliche Marine 1910 Try Liedtke. Georg Liedtke, born April 7, 1891, entered service April 1910. Marine-Zahlmeister June 10, 1916. On General but doing administrative accounting work for the Mittelmeer Division from March or April 1917 to April 1918, then submarine half-flotilla Constantinople briefly before heading to Sevastopol through August 1918, then with the Mittelmeer Division again more generally. He stays in the navy postwar and is promoted to Marine-Oberzahlmeister on September 23, 1920. Decorations are known as the EK2 and the Eisener Halbmond. Not to be confused with another Marine-Zahlmeister by the name of Karl Liedtke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 16 July Author Share Posted 16 July Cheers Mate, Yes I found a few typo's in the good book, I just spent a morning chasing down an entry that had UC 23 and prisoner in England. after some checking a rechecking I found the entry should be UC 32 and the officer (Brever) one of three saved. So crossing checking even the Ehrenrangliste with the Verlustliste can help. As we say here, sometimes this is a mug's game, but it does have its draw Sorry as for this but this bloke has a lot of old German which I can't read most of it, can you break it down for me? Flebbe Johannes Stabsarzt deR Dr Marine depot ship Corcovado (the Ehrenrangliste shown page 1397) Todays Lubrawka Stabsingenieur (Ing) Marine StabsIngenieur (Engineeer Officer) 1st Wachoffizier (WO) (Ing) SMS Goeben (Yavuz) 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine Crew shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 Lüttge Fritz WO (LI) Marine SMS Goeben (Yavuz) 3-15 1916-18 (born 1890 died ) Kaiserliche Marine Crew ? RTG to SMS Helgoland 9-15 to Turkey shown in Ehrenrangliste der Kaiserlich Deutschen Marine page 1247 Meggendorfer ObAssistenzarzt deR Dr Marine ObAssistenzarzt Deutsches bakteriologisches institut Konstantinopel 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 17 July Share Posted 17 July Fritz Lüttge, born December 26, 1890, entered service October 1911, Marine-Ingenieur (engineering officer equivalent of a Leutnant zur See) July 18, 1918. The concept of “Crew” only applies to regular navy line officer candidates (Seekadetts becoming Fähnrichs zur See) at this point in time. This is a pretty simple one: Goeben to March 1915 as a petty officer. He then goes to the I.Sch. — engineering school, from which he would emerge in September 1915 as a Marine-Ingenieurasprant (warrant officer and commissioned officer candidate). He’s then on Helgoland for the remainder of the war, eventually getting his commission. (Not in theater after March 1915.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 17 July Share Posted 17 July Dr. Friedrich Meggendorfer, born July 28, 1883. entered service October 1, 1901, Marine-Oberassistenarzt der Seewehr. I January 27, 1914, transfer to become Marine-Oberassistenarzt der April 16, 1915. He’s coming from the fleet and other typical assignments in Germany (lastly Ostfriesland to January 1916), then to theater from January or February 1916 to September 1918 as a bacteriologist in Constantinople. He then returns to Germany. Out of service on December 19, 1918. German decorations in early 1918 are the EK2 and Bavaria’s Militärverdienstorden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 17 July Share Posted 17 July Dr. Johannes Flebbe — you rather buried the lede on this one. He was born on September 12, 1880, entered service October 1901, Marine-Oberssistenzarzt der Reserve October 14, 1911, Marine-Stabsarzt der Reserve on June 10, 1916. Navy hospital ship Frankfurt to February 1915, navy hospital to September 1915, then surgeon at a field hospital at Gallipoli as a Turkish medical officer with the rank of major to December 1915, then naval auxiliary Corcovado at Constantinople and hospital Taurus, to April 1917. He then returns to Germany and is at the Wilhelmshaven Navy Yard’s hospital to July 1918, then with the harbor flotilla Jade and Weser to September 1918, when he makes a cameo appearance back in theater as the head of the German medical mission in Bulgaria in October 1918, before returning to Wilhelmshaven at the hospital for warrant officer’s school. German decorations in early 1918 are the EK2 and Hamburg’s Hanseatic Cross. Out of service December 31, 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 17 July Author Share Posted 17 July Cheers, Mate, Yes I found the mistake with Lubrawka, he was one we discussed already Lukrawka (Lukranka) Johannes Oberingenieur (Ing) Marine Oberingenieur (Engineer Officer) Wachoffizier (WO) SMS Goeben (Yavuz) 1-15 chief of the electric installation StabsIngenieur 16-4-15 Spelling again got me Thanks for the nod on Meggendorfer , I notice a point in Wiki you may know of? "During World War I he was stationed in Turkey as a medical assistant of the German imperial navy. There he learnt much about the Turkish culture and was able to translate ancient Arabic medical works into German and the bible to Turkish, an effort that was lost later, when he narrowly escaped a sinking submarine" Any ideas on what U boat that was? Today Metge (possibly Ernst) Assistenzarzt deR Dr Marine Assistenzarzt etapp arzt Etappen dienst (Stage Service) (Tigris-Euphrates Flotila Det) 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 Meyer (possibly (Hans) Ober Feuerwerks Lt Marine Feuerwerks (Ordnance) (Rüstungs- und Munitionsinspektion in Istanbul) Arms and Munitions Inspectorate in Istanbul (shown geschossabnahmeoffisiere (bullet inspection officers) Chichli 1916- (not identified)? shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Meyer Robert LtzS deR Marine Z.Vfg (Tigris Kampf gruppe) 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 18 July Share Posted 18 July Dr. Ernst Metge, born February 6, 1888, entered service October 1908, Marine-Oberassistenzarzt der Reserve June 17, 1915. Mittelmeer Division from May or June 1915 to the end of the war, specifics not mentioned. Out of service December 10, 1918. Charakter as Marine-Stabszarzt der Reserve April 181, 1921. German decorations in early 1918 are the EK2, the Red Cross Medal 3rd Class, and Schwarzburg’s Ehrenkreuz 3rd Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 18 July Share Posted 18 July Robert Meyer, born February 24, 1892, entered service August 5, 1914, Leutnant zur See der Reserve July 13, 1916. Danube River and Mittelmeer Division from November or 1916 to the end of the war, no specifics given. German decoration in early 1918 is the EK2. Out of service May 17, 1919. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 18 July Share Posted 18 July (edited) Oberfeuerwerker Meyer — no, not Feuerwerker Hans Meyer listed in the Ehrenrangliste. He wasn’t in theater. Remember though that Feuerwerker is a warrant officer rank, and the Ehrenrangliste is all about commissioned officers and commissioned officer candidates. The Feuerwerkers included in the Ehrenrangliste were all on a path to become commissioned officers as Feuerwerks-Leutnants, which can’t be said for all Feuerwerkers. In the 1914 Rangliste, there’s an Oberfeuerwerker Meyer listed, entered service July 11, 1897, Oberfeuerwerker as of June 1, 1910 who is a good candidate for the person refereed to. Edited 18 July by Michael Lowrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 18 July Author Share Posted 18 July Cheers Michael, Yes there are a number of German naval ranks that still give me trouble, as some times you find them there, while others not, best to take a chance and see if that's them? Todays Möbius Franz Stabsarzt Dr Marine Stabsarzt Flottillenarzt U Boat Flottille Pola (replaced Schwab) 6-17 to 1-18 and 1 U-Flottille Mittelmeer Pola 1-18 to 1-19 1917-18 (not identified) Kaiserliche Marine Mock (possibly Franz) Assistenzarzt deR Dr Marine shown Assistenzarzt Deutsches Marinelazarett Konstantinopel 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 *Müller Ober Feuerwerker Marine Feuerwerks (Ordnance) (Rüstungs- und Munitionsinspektion in Istanbul) Arms and Munitions Inspectorate in Istanbul (shown geschossabnahmeoffisiere (bullet inspection officers) Chichli 1916- (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy *another with some possibles but also may not be listed on the Ehrenrangliste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 19 July Share Posted 19 July (edited) Franz Mock, born June 28, 1889, entered service April 1, 1910. Marine-Assistenarzt November 27, 1916. Note: not Dr. per the Ehrenrangliste, though that could have come at some later time. German Danube flotilla from November or December 1916 to September 1917, then navy hospital Constantinople for the rest of the war. Out service February 12, 1919. Charakter as Marine-Oberassistenarzt April 18, 1921. No German decorations in early 1918. Edited 19 July by Michael Lowrey corrected typo in birthdate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 19 July Share Posted 19 July Dr. Franz Möbius, August 7, 1886, entered service April 2, 1907, Marine-Stabsarzt April 26, 1917. U-boat flotilla Pola (yes, it gets subdivided) from May or June 1917 to the end of the war. Note. Dr. title is in the Ehrenrangliste but not the 1918 Rangliste. Out service May 15, 1919. German decoration in early 1918 is the EK2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 19 July Share Posted 19 July He wrote his doctoral dissertation in 1919 in Kiel and got his title in 1921. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 19 July Share Posted 19 July 9 hours ago, GreyC said: He wrote his doctoral dissertation in 1919 in Kiel and got his title in 1921. GreyC Möbius or Mock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 19 July Share Posted 19 July Möbius. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 19 July Share Posted 19 July Mock wrote his dissertation in 1919, too. Alas, at Berlin University: Beitrag zur Differentialdiagnose der Bauchtumoren unter Berücksichtigung zweier Fälle von Hydronephrose und eines Falles von Nierenblutcyste. Wheter or not he was awarded his "Doktor" title, I can´t say. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 19 July Author Share Posted 19 July Cheers guys Muller could be Müller (possibly Hermann) Feuerwerker (SW) Marine I check page 1519 a few times and one way shows no Sdr-Kdo Turkei while another does show it? Likewise Meyer Meyer (possibly Hans) page 1515 But I need better eyes then mine, to be sure. Todays Müllges (possibly Max) Lt deR (MA) Marine 1st Baty Commander batterie dschemal pascha (battery jemal pasha) (Tigris-Euphrates Flotila Det) Mesopotamia 1918 1917-18 (born 1890 died ) Kaiserliche Marine Crew 1911 shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 no idea on these two men? Noldicke (Nöldeke or Noldecke) ObLtzS Marine A. nordetappenleiter (northern stage leader) Etappen dienst (Stage Service) batterie dschemal pascha (battery jemal pasha) (Tigris-Euphrates Flotila Det) 1918 shown The Euphrat-Flus-Abt (Euphrates Kampf gruppe) 8-17 to 1-18 1917-18 (not identified)? no one shown under that name in the Ehrenrangliste shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 Nolly ObLtzS Marine shown LtdRMI Naenr. offz. der Military Mediterranean Division MMD Depot ship "General" 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 no one shown under that name in the Ehrenrangliste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July Arnold Nöldecke, born July 12, 1875, entered service April 1896, Oberleutnant der Seewehr I der Marineinfantrie March 12, 1915, Hauptmann der Seewehr I der Marineinfantrie April 19, 1918. Mittelmeer Division from October or November 1916 to the end of the war. Out of service November 30, 1918. German decorations in early 1918 are the EK2 and the Landehrdienstauszeichnung 2nd Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July On 19/07/2024 at 19:17, stevenbecker said: Cheers guys Muller could be Müller (possibly Hermann) Feuerwerker (SW) Marine I check page 1519 a few times and one way shows no Sdr-Kdo Turkei while another does show it? ??? The Feuerwerks-Leutnant der Seewehr II Hermann Müller, per page 1519 of the Ehrenrangliste, was never in theater. He spent the war at the artillery depot Friedrichsort (=Kiel) and the artillery depot Geestemünde (=Bremerhaven). To take it a step further, none of the five Feuerwerks officers or officer candidates shown in the Ehrenrangliste appear to have been in theater. But, of course, Feuerwerker is a warrant officer rank, so that doesn’t mean much. I haven’t looked at the warrant officer lists (such as they are) to see if something might stick out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 21 July Author Share Posted 21 July Cheers, Yes I forget, some times I find them other times, not I take it the spelling was like me, why you could not find these two men? *Müllges (possibly Max) Lt deR (MA) Marine 1st Baty Commander batterie dschemal pascha (battery jemal pasha) (Tigris-Euphrates Flotila Det) Mesopotamia 1918 1917-18 (born 1890 died ) Kaiserliche Marine Crew 1911 shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 *See page 945 Ehrenrangliste (but does not show the above details for him?) Nolly ObLtzS Marine shown LtdRMI Naenr. offz. der Military Mediterranean Division MMD Depot ship "General" 1918 1917-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 no one shown under that name in the Ehrenrangliste It appears thats how the Germans spelled their names, but again I could be reading it wrong? Todays Oertel Friedrich ObAssistenzarzt deR Dr Marine Oberassistenarzt Naval Chief doctor hygienist in the 5th Army branch laboratory Izmir (Smyrna) shown Oberarzt 23-12-17 1917- (born 1886 ) Kaiserliche Marine *Opitz Wilhelm ObLtzS Marine Pilot Airforce shown No 1 Sqn possibly German Naval Seaplane Group (GNSG) (Wasserfliegerabteilung) shown Stab KofI Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando Türkei) 10-18 1918- (born 1895 died 1929) Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book *we didn't discuss this man in Wolf, or at lest I could not find his name?) Otto Moritz OberStabszarzt deR Dr Prof Marine OberStabsarzt Flottillenarzt 2. U Boat Flottille Mittelmeer Cattaro 9-18 to 11-18 U Boat 1918- (born 1869 Hamburg died 13-12-18) Kaiserliche Marine returned PoW 13-12-18 at Kiel awarded Hamburg’s Hanseatic Cross and Landwehrdienstauszeichnung 1st class with EK II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 July Share Posted 23 July Dr. Friedrich Oertel, born April 20, 1886, entered service October 1906, Marine-Oberassistenzarzt der Reserve October 17, 1915. With the Turkish 5th Army as assigned by the chief German medical officer attached to the army from May 1917 to the end of the war. Out of service December 15, 1918. German decorations in early 1918 are the EK2 and Bavaria’s Militärverdienstorden. (He’s very likely from Bavaria.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 July Share Posted 23 July Prof. Dr. Moritz Otto we did in the thread on name’s in Wolf's book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 July Share Posted 23 July Wilhelm Opitz, born January 26, 1895, Crew 1913, Leutnant zur See September 18, 1915. Undergoes pilot training early in 1917, and eventually after a couple of other stops along the way ends up in theater at Chanak (date and unit not specified). German decoration in early 1918 is the EK2. Out of service November 22, 1919. Charakter as Oberleutnant zur See December 27, 1919. Died September 3, 1929. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 July Share Posted 23 July Max Müllgens — yes there was one born December 9, 1890, entered service October 1911, Leutnant der Reserve der Mastrosenartillerie August 10, 1915 but per the Ehrenrangliste there’s nothing to indicate that he was ever in theater. He’s listed as being with the 2nd Marine Division for the entire war (in Flanders). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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