war office weekly casualty lists issue date and p o w question

[charlie962]

4 hours ago, weshallremember said:

OK CHARLIE

CAN YOU CHECK

THIS HAS TO BE HIM IF HE WAS  IN THE 18 WELSH

HE IS ON THE MISSING PAPER LIST AS REES  J  FROM SENGHENYDD SAME AS GOSICH

26354      REES   JOSIAH   

IF ITS NOT HIM I GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TREVOR

Rees 26354 was 18th Bn after 17th Bn according to medal roll.

Gosich looks (and sounds) a very possible mistranscription of Joseph or Josiah.

I couldn't find any pow record for 26354 Rees.

Given they have same home town, I suspect you have the right man but it's not proven.

Charlie

[charlie962]

4 hours ago, weshallremember said:

and last one is there any company details for 

202991  Pritchard  C  T  

 

many thank

trevor

Not seen any company ref.

Edited 3 August by charlie962

[weshallremember]

many thanks Charlie

now i need to try and find more p o w returns R number forms

another long job 

regards

trevor

[weshallremember]

sorry Charlie

202911  is Owen T Pritchard  a typo on the index re-pat card any idea on date missing ?????

also found a different Pritchard by accident 

thanks to IRCC

L/Cpl  Pritchard David    b comp   but no number  see IRCC doc 

Could any of these this be him  75779  David R Pritchard

                                                   14494  David T    "   "

                                                   17987  David J    "   " 

many thanks

Trevor

[charlie962]

1 hour ago, weshallremember said:

L/Cpl  Pritchard David 

That icrc record is a toten list. Ie list of dead.

He died 9/4/18 in a German field hospital.

Verst.= verstorben = deceased

 

He is 8443 of the 2nd Bn 

Edited 4 August by charlie962

[weshallremember]

thanks Charlie

sorry for the error

[charlie962]

1 hour ago, weshallremember said:

202911  is Owen T Pritchard  a typo on the index re-pat card any idea on date missing ?????

Nope

[weshallremember]

ok thanks cant win them all

that's it i think i am done with this topic

i am  sure everyone must be bored of it by now

just need to type it all up with the p a form numbers

to get the final total

 

[charlie962]

3 minutes ago, weshallremember said:

type it all up with the p a form numbers

Do remember to look hard for duplicates in view of the number of transcription errors we've seen. If you do it on a spreadsheet, worth sorting by service number as well as alpha just in case.

[weshallremember]

yes thanks Charlie

i have been writing them in ALPHABETICAL ORDER in each company  where found 

with the right P A number and R returns number 

i have not got all the returns sheets they are too hard to find!!!!!!

also putting  the date on the index cards 

which by the way is nearly all 9th april

the others i have listed as  no company

once i have typed it all up i can double check all the surnames ' initials ' and numbers 

with the N/A medal index cards.

as i know there are some typo errors with numbers and names

also just bought the book by Chris Baker the battle of the LYS 1918 SOUTH OBJECTIVE HAZEBROUCK

should be a interesting read

it was watching his video about it that got me started and i do have a medal for one of the men who was killed

THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP

regards 

Trevor 

[weshallremember]

hi Charlie

well i have confirmed 262  ok with details pa forms etc

the ones i did not have IRCC index cards for but had the  German P A forms

I got their medal index cards to make it easier to confirm.

so i think that's it !!!!!!!!

many thanks again

Trevor

 

  

[charlie962]

45 minutes ago, weshallremember said:

i have confirmed 262  ok with details pa forms etc

Out of 306 missing as reported in the 40 Div Diary, allowing for those subsequently presumed died and those lost in the admin of the medical chain that looks a feasible figure.

[weshallremember]

yes looks good

now looking at some who died as p o w s 

so far got 7

NOW DO I COUNT ONE AS P O W WHEN HE AS CAPTURED ON 9TH APRIL

BUT DIED IN THEORY AS A P O W ON 15TH APRIL

Trevor

[weshallremember]

found 3 more not on my list !!!!!!!!

that died at later date in GERMAN HANDS that were reported missing or captured and wounded on 9th April by relatives on IRCC

2 with IRCC NEG ENVOY  so got those details ok

BUT COULD NOT FIND THESE ON IRCC

SORRY CHARLIE 

but could you look at these possible men TO SEE IF ANY DATE OF MISSING IS RECORDED  all 18th registered as at died later date 

all in 18th and were in area's under German control at the time.

53794  Green  W  E      

25846   ROBLIN  EVAN

290206  BEVAN BRINLEY RICHARD  

28839  JENKINS  ROBERT LEWIS

27694  PEERS   A

AND  LTN  BOWEN J J   WHICH IS JOSEPH  JONES BOWEN

WITH SHEET THAT NEEDS TRANSLATING 

WITH REGARDS TO IRCC 

many thanks

TREVOR

 

[charlie962]

On 08/08/2024 at 16:35, weshallremember said:

NOW DO I COUNT ONE AS P O W WHEN HE AS CAPTURED ON 9TH APRIL

BUT DIED IN THEORY AS A P O W ON 15TH APRIL

If he died in captivity I'd count him as pow (wou ded) first. That's what you would do for someone who died a couple of months later.

[charlie962]

22 hours ago, weshallremember said:

53794  Green  W  E 

Seems to be 24/3/18 per StJohns enquiry. 

25/3/18 per icrc.

Lots of cards

[charlie962]

22 hours ago, weshallremember said:

25846   ROBLIN  EVAN

Can't help. No StJohns enquiry. 

Have you checked out all these PA numbers?

[charlie962]

22 hours ago, weshallremember said:

290206  BEVAN BRINLEY RICHARD

StJohns enquiry says C Coy 18th Bn taken 13/4/18 so one for you.

[charlie962]

22 hours ago, weshallremember said:

28839  JENKINS  ROBERT LEWIS

This is 28839 Jenkin Robert LEWIS. He was discharged unfit q8th Welsh 1916!! Where did you get the name from?

[charlie962]

23 hours ago, weshallremember said:

27694  PEERS   A

StJohns enquiry says B/18, missing 24/3/18

Icrc says taken wounded 22/3/18

Army and cwgc have him as Alfred. Icrc have him Richard.

All agree B/18th and from Chester.

Edited 9 August by charlie962

[charlie962]

23 hours ago, weshallremember said:

LTN  BOWEN J J   WHICH IS JOSEPH  JONES BOWEN

WITH SHEET THAT NEEDS TRANSLATING

StJohns enquiry have him as wounded and missing 9/4/18

[weshallremember]

all the ROBLIN

P A numbers just have when he died nothing about when he was captured 

SO FORGET HIM

AND

sorry Jenkin NOT JENKINS  

he is on the C W G C  it says united kingdom book of remembrance died 17th may 1918  

soldiers not formerly recorded by  C W G C  ?????

SO FORGET HIM ALSO

SO THATS OK 

2 MORE ADDED  

SO THE  FINAL TOTAL IS  264 or 263 see next post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO WHERE ELSE TO LOOK NOW

 THANKS CHARLIE 

 

 

Edited 9 August by weshallremember

[weshallremember]

BOWEN J J 

this could be a C W G C error

look at the original grave report says in red pen 9th April

the rest including his headstone says 9 June ????????   

WITH THANKS TO C W G C 

OPEN TO ALL THOUGHTS FROM THE FORUM!!!!!!!!

Trevor

 

Edited 9 August by weshallremember

[Carol Lawrenson]

Where can I find records of the wounded and details of their hospitalisation in England?

thank you in advance

Carol

[charlie962]

52 minutes ago, weshallremember said:

BOWEN J J 

this could be a C W G C error

look at the original grave report says in red pen 9th April

the rest including his headstone says 9 June ?????

Sdgw says 9/4/18.

Ancestry have copied University of London OTC Roll and these are relevant:

Edited 9 August by charlie962