Ryliez Posted 20 July Share Posted 20 July So all we have is a picture but it is really bad quality, if anyone can try and identify the cap badge it would be amazing! He was born in Ipswich, England in 1881, i am thinking this is around the 1900 mark. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffnut453 Posted 20 July Share Posted 20 July Can you share his name, full date of birth etc? It might help provide solid evidence as Forum experts put forward ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddell Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July (edited) The name will help alot. That style of cap date it to 1900-1905 era. See here- https://collection.nam.ac.uk/detail.php?acc=1973-04-30-1 He looks to be a bandsman. It looks to be a drummers patch on his right sleeve. I suspect he may be Royal Marines. Scott Edited 21 July by Waddell Added more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6RRF Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July The badge might fir for Royal Marines, but not the facings - collar and cuffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 21 July Admin Share Posted 21 July As has been already stated, a name would be enormously helpful. So many new members post requests for help, but miss out the most important bits of information . There are some very knowledgeable members here who can probably help, but we do need more to go on, not just a photo. Calling up the experts @FROGSMILE and @CorporalPunishment to see if they can help more with the uniform ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July (edited) He’s a drummer in undress wearing a 7-button home service frock with white facings. Regiment is thus English or Welsh Line without Royal appellation. Cap badge on universal forage cap (Brodick) is circular but no detail visible, so could be one of several, SWB**, Essex, Dorset, etc. Knowing more about his origins would at least give a steer, although regulars could and did join any and all regiments regardless of where they came from. ** caveat: returned to green facings in 1905. Edited 21 July by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July (edited) I tried some Topaz Photo AI but the photo is rather too far gone to recover much. It may help. Howard Edited 21 July by Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July (edited) 13 minutes ago, Howard said: I tried some Topaz Photo AI but the photo is rather too far gone to recover much. It may help. Howard It has helped Howard because it seems to have accentuated some visual aspects including what appears to be a gap (aperture) at bottom centre of the cap badge. On that basis alone the Essex Regiment seems favourite pending any further information from the inquirer. Edited 21 July by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July Good it is of some use. AI is trained on many images so here Topaz has inserted what it thinks is right so it might be an artefact from its training data. The 4 times image is from Photoshop simply enlarging the cap from the original plus one with a curves adjustment for contrast. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryliez Posted 21 July Author Share Posted 21 July (edited) Hi, thanks for the replies his name was Mower robert gray and he was born 13th June 1881 I am sorry I didn't put his name before:( You have all been amazing so far!!! Thank you all!! Edited 21 July by Ryliez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian 1008 Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July Ancestry has a Robert Mower Born Ipswich 1881 KIA 1917, but with 2nd Btn Devonshire Rgt......which from memory has the castle as its badge...... but i think is surrounded by a star so this may be a red herring @FROGSMILEet al will know Did Robert Mower survive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryliez Posted 21 July Author Share Posted 21 July Hey, thanks for looking his death certificate says he died 17th Feb 1964. (Sorry for the bad information I am getting it from my mum as its asked) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian 1008 Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July No problem that's one discounted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ryliez said: Hey, thanks for looking his death certificate says he died 17th Feb 1964. ?? -- I can't find a death registration for him. Where did he die please? Edit -- I take it that his surname is GRAY, given names of Mower Robert. Born in Ipswich. Edited 21 July by Allan1892 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July (edited) 2 hours ago, adrian 1008 said: Ancestry has a Robert Mower Born Ipswich 1881 KIA 1917, but with 2nd Btn Devonshire Rgt......which from memory has the castle as its badge...... but i think is surrounded by a star so this may be a red herring @FROGSMILEet al will know Did Robert Mower survive? The uniform and facings fit until after the Boer war when they reverted to green, but yes the cap badge was a very distinctive and smart star shape that I cannot see in this image. Perhaps he joined over the border in Dorset. Alternatively and more logically the Suffolk Regiment makes a good fit badge wise and is his local county regiment too. It might be an slightly earlier pattern badge than the one that I’ve shown depending upon date, but I think the Suffolks are favourites all things considered. Again the facing colour (collar, cuffs and regimental colours) reverted after the Boer War and in the case of the Suffolk Regiment returned to bright yellow. images from proprietary search engine. Edited 21 July by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffnut453 Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July 2 hours ago, Allan1892 said: ?? -- I can't find a death registration for him. Where did he die please? Edit -- I take it that his surname is GRAY, given names of Mower Robert. Born in Ipswich. There's a death registration for a Mower R Gray in Rochford, Essex in 1964. Based on the info provided by the OP, I presume that's our man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July 55 minutes ago, Buffnut453 said: There's a death registration for a Mower R Gray in Rochford, Essex in 1964. Based on the info provided by the OP, I presume that's our man. Essex Regiment still in with a chance then 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 21 July Share Posted 21 July @Ryliez -- could the attached article from the East Anglian Daily Times, 4th May 1894 be your man? I know that the age is out a little but apart from his father, I can't see any the Mower Gray living in Ipswich. (image courtesy of Find My Past) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryliez Posted 21 July Author Share Posted 21 July 22 minutes ago, Allan1892 said: @Ryliez -- could the attached article from the East Anglian Daily Times, 4th May 1894 be your man? I know that the age is out a little but apart from his father, I can't see any the Mower Gray living in Ipswich. (image courtesy of Find My Past) That could of been him, I asked my mum and she said it could possibly be but obviously not 100% sure. 2 hours ago, Buffnut453 said: There's a death registration for a Mower R Gray in Rochford, Essex in 1964. Based on the info provided by the OP, I presume that's our man. Yes that's him!! 2 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: The uniform and facings fit until after the Boer war when they reverted to green, but yes the cap badge was a very distinctive and smart star shape that I cannot see in this image. Perhaps he joined over the border in Dorset. Alternatively and more logically the Suffolk Regiment makes a good fit badge wise and is his local county regiment too. It might be an slightly earlier pattern badge than the one that I’ve shown depending upon date, but I think the Suffolks are favourites all things considered. Again the facing colour (collar, cuffs and regimental colours) reverted after the Boer War and in the case of the Suffolk Regiment returned to bright yellow. images from proprietary search engine. This could be, as he was around the ipswich area for a lot of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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