address and death date query for 26827 William Henry Williams 18th welsh

[weshallremember]

hello

just looking for address or next of kin for him

26827 William Henry Williams 

i think Coventry OR Birmingham ????????

many thanks

trevor   

Edited 27 July by weshallremember
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[DavidOwen]

Not getting any hits with that name & number on FMP.

[DavidOwen]

Found him now number is 26287

Sister's address from ICRC courtesy FMP

SDGW has his residence as Newbury, Berkshire (courtesy FMP)

[DavidOwen]

This could be him from 1915 Newbury Electoral roll register (FMP) Edit: This is likely to be the father

Same address 1914.

Again could be him, the 13 year old son - as per 1911 census - HOWEVER, Birth place differs to SDGW and sister would be (Elizabeth) Beatrice?

[weshallremember]

many thanks David

regards 

Trevor

 

[Matlock1418]

1 hour ago, DavidOwen said:

Again could be him, the 13 year old son - as per 1911 census - HOWEVER, Birth place differs to SDGW and sister would be (Elizabeth) Beatrice?

Mother, Ruth, made a dependant's pension claim under 26287, William WILLIAMS

Her addresses: 187 Munition Cottages, Holbrook Lane, Coventry and 56 Lythalls Lane, Coleshill, Coventry

M

Edited 27 July by Matlock1418

[weshallremember]

thanks Matlock

do you know what date the claim was made ?????????

 

 

thanks

TREVOR

  

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[DavidOwen]

Trevor

Might be an idea to start a different thread on T H Williams to avoid confusion.

There are a number who may fit your search parameters.

[Matlock1418]

Just now, weshallremember said:

thanks Matlock

do you know what date the claim was made ?????????

1st Card / 1st Address / Initial application ... Date of application 7.6.19

2nd card / 2nd address after printer's mark 9/20 - reverse suggests change of address noted 6.6.31

M

[weshallremember]

ok David

 

[weshallremember]

thanks Matlock

how long did they have to wait to be able to claim

as he is listed as killed in March 1918

and the claim was  made  in June 1919

Trevor

 

[weshallremember]

hello

looking to see if there is a T H WILIIAMS in the 17TH or 18th Welsh Regiment with a similar number to 26287

many thanks

Trevor

    

[DavidOwen]

Nearest in 18th courtesy FMP

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

Thomas Williams

Sergeant

Welsh Regiment

27268

[corisande]

1 hour ago, weshallremember said:

looking to see if there is a T H WILIIAMS in the 17TH or 18th Welsh Regiment with a similar number to 26287

It would help is you said where this information came from. That would give more to work on

[corisande]

@Dai Bach y Sowldiwr has probably got your answer

that man is on Fold3 as, Which should give you enough to ascertain whether he is your man or not

[weshallremember]

yes many thanks 

Dai Bach

[Matlock1418]

3 hours ago, weshallremember said:

how long did they have to wait to be able to claim

as he is listed as killed in March 1918

and the claim was  made  in June 1919

To make a claim if KiA there seems to have been no limit.  [If DoW or DoD ... Within seven years of wounds/injuries or removal from duty due to certified disease]

Awards: Typically at least six months needed to pass to confirm/presume death if considered 'missing' for an award to be made [claim could be made as soon as was wished - many men later found alive!].  That also gave the MoP six months or so from confirmed/presumed death to do the calcs.  If Separation Allowance was being paid it would continue until the pension kicked in, so there was no gap in income [usually more relevant for widows and children].

In this case the MoP made the award 18-7-19 and awarded 5/- pw from 7-6-19,  21.1c [under Article 21 1c - and back-dated to date of claim, not his death]

Strictly speaking the 1918 Royal Warrant would have applied at the date of award, but there was no Art. 21 1c in the 1918 RW.  So somehow the terms of the 1919 RW [which didn't come in until Sep 1919] appear to have been used.  Art. 21 1c under the 1919 RW meaning: the parent(s) of an unmarried soldier a pension of 5/- pw will be paid irrespective of pre-war dependance or age, infirmity or pecuniary need [these dependant's(s') requirements had been part of the 1918 RW] provided the soldier was under the age of 26 at the outbreak of war or date of joining the colours if later [Soldier's age had not been specified before]

One might suspect his mother's application might have been delayed by the strict requirements of the 1918 RW [terms of which perhaps couldn't be met ??] but somehow a 'nod' was recieved that an application might receive sympathetic treatment - and so it seemed to have proved [this is certainly not the first time I have seen such use of Art 21 1c from the 1919 RW during the applicability of the 1918 RW - it does rather seem like a sympathetic early application of the terms of the later RW in quite a few cases]

Until 1920 such pensions were 'grace & favour' and only after 1920 were they a statutory right - not that the rates changed 1919-46!

M

Edited 27 July by Matlock1418

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

1 hour ago, weshallremember said:

yes many thanks 

Dai Bach

Thanks.

I know nothing about him whatsoever.

I just searched for T.Williamses in the WR and looked for similar numbers. There could be more...

[Matlock1418]

2 hours ago, corisande said:

It would help is you said where this information came from. That would give more to work on

I concur.  We need do seem to need more info.

@weshallremember Please give us more.

As a possible further basic starters:

• Why do you think he has a number close to 26287?
• Where man potentially from?
• Dead or Alive at the end of the war?
• Etc.

M

[Matlock1418]

As we seem to be rather guessing, how about: Thomas Henry WILLIAMS, 25352, 17th Welsh Regt, C Coy? [One and only disability pension index card -  discharged 1.1.18 - no address - claimed from pension Region 5 i.e. Wales] He has a MIC and a SWB card.

M

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[corisande]

6 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

we seem to be rather guessing,

That is what will happen till the OP is kind enough to answer the questions we posed

[roselyn2]

There is a John Kingdon Welsh Regiment.  No 26214.   17th and 18th Battalion.   Lyn.

[Matlock1418]

12 minutes ago, corisande said:

That is what will happen till the OP is kind enough to answer the questions we posed

I think we need to be a bit patient and give them a bit of time - but we do live in hope of a few more clues. [Is there a fingers-crossed emoji?]

Anyway ...

M

 

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[weshallremember]

sorry all had to go out

it was  just a query i had against this solders death

26287   William  Henry  Williams 18TH WELSH

somethings not right look at his grave note on CWGC

Trevor