roblt Posted 27 July Share Posted 27 July I am new to the forum and hope I have started correctly. I am looking at what I believe to be my grandfather's World War One record which gives the following details. Unausbedildet Am 16.9.15 zur 3 Komp II.E/15 versetzt. I would appreciate if someone could tell me what this means in terms of his Army service and if possible where I might find his full army record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 27 July Share Posted 27 July (edited) 31 minutes ago, roblt said: Unausbedildet Hi, it should read unausgebildet (=untrained). The whole sentence means that he did not serve before being drafted and entered the II. Ersatzbataillon (II. reinforcement battailion) of Infantrie Regiment 15. The regiment was garrisoned in Minden, the 2nd reinforcement battailon in Herford. As it was a Prussian regiment, all documents w regard to his military career have been lost due to the destruction of the Prussian military archive in 1945. GreyC Edited 27 July by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblt Posted 29 July Author Share Posted 29 July Thank you for your prompt response. I gather that he was in the 3rd Company of that unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July if he was wounded you´ll find him here: http://des.genealogy.net/eingabe-verlustlisten/search GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July Or if he was taken prisoner there are records from the Red Cross https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Search Do you have any other information about his military service? If you want to provide his name, date of birth, home town etc. it might be possible to help you further. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July Hello, @roblt If you want a full answer, you will have to give all you have. E/15 can really be a bit of everything... Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July (edited) If he was transferred to the IR 15 this is the book on its history in WW1: Riebensahm, Gustav, Infanterie-Regiment Prinz Friedrich der Niederlande (2. Westfälisches) Nr. 15 im Weltkrieg 1914-18; 1931, Minden, Selbstverlag Bund ehemaliger Angehöriger des IR 15; 504 Seiten (116 Fotos und 29 Karten). If he was transferred to IR 369, for which II E/15 was also supplying reenforcments, this is the unit´s history, available online: Hans Schuster; Joseph Goertz: Geschichte des Infanterie-Regiment Nr.369 [4] , Erinnerungsblätter Preussen; Bd. 255, Oldenburg 1928, Stalling, 168 Seiten: WLB-Online Edited 29 July by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July 2 minutes ago, GreyC said: If he was transferred to the IR 15 this is the book on its history in WW1: Riebensahm, Gustav, Infanterie-Regiment Prinz Friedrich der Niederlande (2. Westfälisches) Nr. 15 im Weltkrieg 1914-18; 1931, Minden, Selbstverlag Bund ehemaliger Angehöriger des IR 15; 504 Seiten (116 Fotos und 29 Karten). If he was transferred to IR 369, for which II E/15 was also supplying reenforcments, this is the unit´s history, available online: Hans Schuster; Joseph Goertz: Geschichte des Infanterie-Regiment Nr.369 [4] , Erinnerungsblätter Preussen; Bd. 255, Oldenburg 1928, Stalling, 168 Seiten: WLB-Online Let's wait. It can be a Bavarian unit, he might have been transferred to yet another unit... If people want to know something, they should give everything they have, otherwise one is just stabbing in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblt Posted 29 July Author Share Posted 29 July Thank you all for your suggestions and information. All the details that I have wee listed in the original post that I made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July Surely you must know his name, but if don‘t want to reveal it thats up to you. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblt Posted 29 July Author Share Posted 29 July Hermann Robl, sorry I did not realise that I had not included it previously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July That´s a Bavarian name, so the Bavarian IR 15 does come into play as already mentioned by Jan. If anyone has access to ancestry, you might find information about his military career. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July With the name Robl one would as GreyC has written, expect him to be a Bavarian serving in a Bavarian unit. 59 of the 65 entries in the casualty lists are for Bavarian units - he is not among them. The only Hermann Rodl I can find in the Stammrollen served with 3. Kompagnie Armierungs Bataillon 13. May I ask what is the source of your information, it reads very much like an extract from a service record. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblt Posted 29 July Author Share Posted 29 July Charlie, my error. I am working on two guys. This one was Otto Robl. Born 10 August 1894 in Munich. In Bavaria, Germany World War OnePersonnel Rosters 1914-1918 his details are as follows; unausgebildet AM 16.9/1915 zur 3 Komp II.E-/15 vbersetzt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July (edited) Thank you, the right name helps a lot He was wounded in the abdomen on 26.12.1916 by artillery fire at Filipesti, he died the next day at 8pm at Sanitäts Kompagnie 39 of the 217th Division and was buried in the cemetery at Neu Gaiseanka. He was serving with No.5 Company KB 3. Infanterie Regiment https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/5599154 Charlie Edited 29 July by charlie2 Spelling mistake corrected thanks to AOK4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July 30 minutes ago, roblt said: Charlie, my error. I am working on two guys. This one was Otto Robl. Born 10 August 1894 in Munich. In Bavaria, Germany World War OnePersonnel Rosters 1914-1918 his details are as follows; unausgebildet AM 16.9/1915 zur 3 Komp II.E-/15 vbersetzt This information from the beginning would have saved a lot of trouble and would have avoided GreyC of given wrong advice... I don't understand why everyone is so reluctant to share everything they have from the beginning. The personnel files are available on ancestry.de (paying subscription) or in the military archives in Munich and ancestry can possibly accessed for free in quite a few libraries in Germany as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July 14 minutes ago, charlie2 said: Thank you, the right name helps a lot He was wounded in the abdomen on 26.12.1916 by artillery fire at Filipesli, he died the next day at 8pm at Sanitäts Kompagnie 39 of the 217th Division and was buried in the cemetery at Neu Gaiseanka. He was serving with No.5 Company KB 3. Infanterie Regiment https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/5599154 Charlie Small correction: it should be Filipesti (there are several in Roumania). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July 1 minute ago, AOK4 said: Small correction: it should be Filipesti (there are several in Roumania). Thank you, my mistake. The Denkmal Project gives the place where he was wounded as Rimnicul-Sarat. Perhaps that could help identifying which Filipesti. http://denkmalprojekt.org/newsearch/data.php?id=220343 Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July Then it's probably 817156 Filipesti, with Surdila-Gaiseanca nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July I‘m guessing Roblt has Ancestry access but cannot read the handwriting. Not a problem, others can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July See pages 93 and 94 of the Regimental History https://portal.dnb.de/bookviewer/view/1032163879#page/n0/mode/2up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblt Posted 29 July Author Share Posted 29 July Thank you for all the information. I am overwhelmed. The Otto that I was looking at being my Grandfather it turn out was not because he survived the First World War. So I am back to the drawing board. But again thank you all for your hewlp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July (edited) 14 minutes ago, roblt said: Thank you for all the information. I am overwhelmed. The Otto that I was looking at being my Grandfather it turn out was not because he survived the First World War. So I am back to the drawing board. But again thank you all for your hewlp. What do you know about your actual grandfather? If you outline all you know, his full name, his date of birth, his place of birth. Where was he raised? His original home town. The accurate genealogy must be the start point. Then the experts on the WW1 era German military can help you trace any service that there might have been. Edited 29 July by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July 1 hour ago, roblt said: So I am back to the drawing board What evidence do you have that he served in the German army in WW1 ? Postcards, letters, photos etc or is it just family lore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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