montbrehain Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 After trying to get on the Australian service Records site for nearly an hour I have finally given up. I wanted to try and identify some of the men in this photograph. I am not sure if its before or after the war ? I think it may be before. I would be grateful for any help (I seem to ask that a lot ). In return (I know I have said it before) If you ever require a copy of any pic I may post, just ask and ill do my best to get a High Res copy to you. I believe most photos (and I have hundreds) I posses are "1 off's" and therefore I like to make as many copies as I can in the hope that somewhere 1 will survive. Anyhow can you help with this Pic "MO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRichards Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Dear Montbrehain I'm no expert but my guess would be early in the war - looks like AIF badges and uniform though the cap is more typical of militia (but I have seen photos from 1914 of men enlisted in the AIF wearing these - Uniform shortage?). Have you tried accessing the service records via the Australian Archives website? The Australian War Memorial website also has (amongst other things) a nominal roll for WW1 that includes full name, unit and date of enlistment, so you may be able to identify the chaps via that. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montbrehain Posted 2 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2007 through the nominal roll , I found a Lieut Arthur Bird Brook 11th Batt AIF. He,s a possibility. No Albricht or Albicht. There is a David William Thomas. 241 11th Batt AIF. I am begining to think that this is a a pre war 11th Battalion Photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 http://www.awm.gov.au/nominalrolls/ww1/pag...urname=pleydell http://www.awm.gov.au/nominalrolls/ww1/pag...urname=albright http://www.awm.gov.au/nominalrolls/ww1/pag...Surname=clifton Don't know if these are your men, but that is what a search of the initials and surnames pulled up on the Nominal Roll. Here is same in embarkation. http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/awm8/23_112_4/pdf/0066.pdf http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/awm8/23_28_1/pdf/0170.pdf http://www.awm.gov.au/nominalrolls/ww1/emb...on.asp?p=177809 Sandra and Andrew may have more on these guys, but Sandra has a family crisis at the moment and may be away for a while. Please give send some positive thoughts Sandra's way, she needs them. Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henschke Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Mo, a quicker way to find out basic info about a soldier is to go to the 'Research a person' page on the AWM website. http://www.awm.gov.au/find/index.asp It doesn't give as much information as the service records but is a good, quick way to get a basic lead on someone - it lists the embarkation rolls, for example. Chris Henschke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Mo, different spelling on Albright, all right state anyway and initials. Keep you busy for awhile. Cheers Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montbrehain Posted 2 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Thanks for your help Kim, that looks like the ones. 11th Battalion . And my best wishes and thoughts for Sandra. "MO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montbrehain Posted 2 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Ok Chris , Will give it a go. They all seem to be early enlistments , so perhaps ready to go ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 The ones I gave you are from the nominal and embarkation rolls at the AWM. Here is the Bongo. ARC Clifton. Alvarea or Alvared Roe Cecil http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.as...mp;I=1&SE=1 Cheers Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 I paid a visit to the site of Blackboy Camp while in Perth and found a housing estate with a plaque in the middle. Do any locals know where the men would have done field training, trench digging etc? Phil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Hi Mo The name is ALBRECHT - Frederick Albrecht embarked on the A11 Ascanius from Fremantle 2/11/14 with the 11th Bn - along with Arthur Bird Brook & Arthur Deacon Pleydell. On board was also Joseph William Bunning (though the initials on card clearly show J.A. Bunning??) That's all I've found so far. Cheers, Frev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montbrehain Posted 2 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Now Im thinking that these names are written on the back of each of the soldiers, and if so We can actually post a photo of each soldier with his name pretty reliably ? "MO" I have mirror reversed the pic, so the name Above should match the man in the same position below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Bwok did not show up in Nominal Rolls though. All definatley early enlistments. Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 The name is ALBRECHT - Frederick Albrecht embarked on the A11 Ascanius from Fremantle 2/11/14 with the 11th Bn - along with Arthur Bird Brook & Arthur Deacon Pleydell. On board was also Joseph William Bunning (though the initials on card clearly show J.A. Bunning??) David William THOMAS (241) & Alvared Roe Cecil CLIFTON (155) - were also on the Ascanius with the above 3 soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanhemmings Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Lovely photo. sorry cannot be of assistance, wish I could. (the chap in the front - second from left looking at photo - looks like a young james stewart) What or whom is IT (instructor/trainer??) .... MO. I think you are right - that each of the names seem to match the formation of the chaps in the photo. Clever you. What a wonderful idea to post these photos for prosperity. Superb, unselfish stuff which is thankfully typical of all people of this forum. Salute you Sir. Susan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montbrehain Posted 2 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2007 The Cpl noted as Sgt is (I believe) Lieut Arthur Bird Brook 11th Battalion ? "MO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Me again! Edward Donald LINDSEY (not Lindsay) (203) also sailed with the rest. That gives you Thomas, Albrecht, Brook, Clifton, Pleydell & Lindsey all in the 11th Bn, all sailing together 2/11/14 - possibly with JW Bunning (as opposed to JA Bunning). No JA Gollan on board. Cheers, Frev PS - got your PM Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanhemmings Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 First World War Embarkation Roll Edward Donald Lindsey View the digitisted record: View record (0.14Mb PDF file) Number 203 Rank Private Unit 11 Infantry Battalion (November 1914) Ship Name HMAT Ascanius Ship number A11 Date of embarkation 2 November 1914 Place of embarkation Fremantle Woops edit. edit. see frev got there first. sorry. Susan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montbrehain Posted 2 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2007 I reckon that is J W Bunning ? Perhaps the details were written on the pic a while later (hence the Cpl being Sgt) and the writer made a mistake ? Also have been trying to decipher that last name . Could it be Yollan , Follan or Tollan. "MO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 This is definately my last post for tonight................. Still looks like Gollan to me Mo. John Alexander GOLLAN originally joined the 11th Bn 9/9/14 (183) - haven't yet found the reason he dropped out - but re-enlisted in the 10th LH in Oct 1914 - so didn't sail with the others. Would therefore think the photo was taken b/w 9/9/14 & the sailing of the Ascanius on 2/11/14. But who was I T ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanhemmings Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Looking at the I.T again - it looks more like an arrow pointing both ways just before the letter T Did they have Trainers....... or what could T stand for.... I notice he is standing bang in the middle of the group - does this arrow mean it relates to each four man group either side of him..... Kim and all other Aussie Pals - I must say the records that can be accessed on line is absolutely fantastic. I only wish ours were as organised and available as this (perhaps they would have been save for the Sept 1940 bombings). Anyway, superb research site. Thoroughly enjoyed looking and have bookmarked Susan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montbrehain Posted 2 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Got to agree Susan , I have just spent an hour totally engrossed in the records of these men. To see which way the fortunes of war took them(bravery ,tragedy , love and everything in between) is as good and better than many novels. And of course these was real people and their lives. The Australian Archives are a credit to the Country from which they come. I,m sure many others could learn from their example "MO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirlD Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 QUOTE (Phil_B @ May 2 2007, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I paid a visit to the site of Blackboy Camp while in Perth and found a housing estate with a plaque in the middle. Do any locals know where the men would have done field training, trench digging etc? Phil B Hi Phil, Blackboy Hill is just down the road from us. It is in the grounds of a local primary school, well cared for and appreciated. There is a large pine tree, connected to Lone Pine Gallipoli, and quite a focal point now for its Anzac day dawn service. I am sure someone could tell you exactly where they did field training etc, but it is quite easy to imagine them all over the hill. Cheers Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirlD Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Thanks Montbrehain for the photo and subsequent sleuthing, I particularly enjoy this aspect of the pal's work on the forum Kim, please convey my thoughts to Sandra, she has been so kind and welcoming Cheers Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanhemmings Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Thanks Shirley, That looks a lovely place to go to remember. All quite and serene. Beautiful. Kim: please pass on my hopes for Sandra and her recovery. susan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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