roger Posted 31 December , 2003 Share Posted 31 December , 2003 On my local war memorial there is the name Arthur Bertram Lawson who I can only assume is this man. Lieutenant-Colonel Arthur Bertram LAWSON, D.S.O. & Bar - Killed 24th June 1918 - 2/5th Battalion Glosters. Commissioned into the 11th Hussars. Took over command of the 2/5th Glosters in March 1918. Awarded the D.S.O. 21st April 1918 and again 16th September 1918. "Lt-Col. Lawson was walking in front of his line on the south side of the Noc stream, he had gone out alone to satisfy himself personally as to certain enemy dispositions. He was seen a few yards from a German post and then disappeared behind a hedge. The sound of rifle shots and bombs was heard and he was not seen again. His body was found some days later and buried close to the Noc (Robecq) ... To the 2/5th Glosters it was like a personal bereavement. " Brigadier-General Pagan : "This officer was only approached by one other as a battalion commander among the many I met in France. He was absolutely fearless, very able, and was devoted to the welfare of his men. He was always unruffled and was a very fine leader of men." Buried at St. Venant-Robecq British Cemetery, Robecq. However I know where assumption can sometimes lead so if anyone can confirm this man had connections with Bedale North Yorkshire or can provide any additional information I would be very pleased. Happy New Year, Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 31 December , 2003 Share Posted 31 December , 2003 Name: LAWSON Initials: A B Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Lieutenant Colonel Regiment: 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Hussars Secondary Regiment: Gloucestershire Regiment Secondary Unit Text: attd. 2nd/5th Bn. Date of Death: 24/06/1918 Awards: DSO Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: III. C. 12. Cemetery: ST. VENANT-ROBECQ ROAD BRITISH CEMETERY, ROBECQ .............................................. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Transcript of the entry for the Post Office, professions and trades for BEDALE in Bulmer's Directory of 1890. LOCAL INFORMATION. PLACES OF WORSHIP, MINISTERS, AND TIMES OF SERVICE. Parish Church - Rev. J. G. Beresford; Sundays, 8 a.m., 10-33 a.m., 6-30 p.m.; daily, 8-45 a.m. Roman Catholic (Aiskew) - Rev. Jas. A. Butler; Sundays, 9 a.m. and 10-30 alternately, and 6-30 p.m.; daily, 9 a.m. Wesleyan - Rev. E. Russell and Rev. W. Barnes, Sundays, 10-30 am., 6-30 p.m.; Wednesdays; 7-30 p.m. Baptist - Rev. G. Charlesworth;Sundays, 10-30 a.m., 6-30 p.m.; Wednesdays, 7-30 p.m. Primitive Methodist (Aiskew) - Rev. A. J. Bull; Sundays, 2 p.m., 6-30 p.m.: Thursdays, 7-30 p.m. Salvation Army (Aiskew) - Sundays, 11 a.m., 6-30 p.m. MAGISTRATES, PETTY SESSIONAL DIVISION OF HANG EAST. Chairman - Charles Carter, Esq. Beresford-Peirse Sir H. M. de la Poer, Bart. Booth W. C., Esq. Dodsworth Sir C. E. S., Bart. Elliot G. W., Esq. Gothorp J., Esq. Hutton-Squire R., Esq. Lascelles Capt. D. A. G. Lawson Sir John, Bart. Lister S. C., Esq. Lister S. C., junr., Esq. Milbank H. W. V., Esq. Milbank P. C., Esq. Rouse H., Esq. Russell W. D., Esq. Clerk - E. D. Swarbreck. Petty Sessions are held every alternate Tuesday, in the Court House, Town Hall, at 12 o'clock noon. Police Station (Aiskew) - - John Holmes, inspctr. County Councillor - Sir Hy. Monson de la Poer Beresford-Peirse, Bart., Bedale hall possibly Sir John Lawson is related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 31 December , 2003 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2003 Thanks for that Christine. I'd already tried that avenue and thought the same as you but thanks for looking anyway, it's appreciated. Incidently here is another name from the memorial which is in Bulmers Directory. The family still live in the area. CHARLES Z BERESFORD 2nd Bn., Northamptonshire Regiment, 24th Brigade, 8th Division died on Sunday 9 May 1915. Age 22 KIA. Son of Mary de Vere Hunt (formerly Beresford), of Alexander House, Alma Rd., Windsor, and the late Lt. C. de la Poer Beresford (R.N.). PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL Comines-Warneton, Hainaut, Belgium Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 31 December , 2003 Share Posted 31 December , 2003 I think I may have found him Lawson family tree Arthur Lawson III. Arthur Lawson Esquire of Hounslow Co. Middlesex, Chemist, born 23 July 1858 married first Ada, daughter of James Johnson Esquire of London (ob. s.p. 190--). and secondly, Grace, daughter of George Norwood Esquire and had issue a daughter and a son. 1. Arthur Lawson 1. Blanche May Gertrude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 31 December , 2003 Share Posted 31 December , 2003 Here is Arthur the chemist in 1881 Dwelling: 156 Cromwell Road Census Place: Kensington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341011 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0051 Folio 59 Page 43 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ALLDEN M 36 M Ledbury, Hereford, England Rel: Head Occ: Chemist Adelaide ALLDEN M 29 F Nether Broughton, Leicester, England Rel: Wife Ethel M. ALLDEN 3 F Kensington, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur John D. JAMIERSON U 40 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Border Occ: Merchant Richard BOURKIS U 22 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Visitor Occ: Student Theology Arthur LAWSON U 22 M Whitby, York, England Rel: Assistant Occ: Chemist Ellen HAYNES U 22 F Waltham, Leicester, England Rel: Servant Occ: Cook Domestic Serv Annie LARD U 19 F Saltley, Leicester, England Rel: Servant Occ: Housemaid Domestic Serv I think you will need to look at Whitby, and this Arthur's 2nd marriage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 31 December , 2003 Share Posted 31 December , 2003 a little more evidence is the name Bertram, which tends to be a Catholic name. Sir John Lawson's family is highly Catholic, just look at the number of nuns and priests in the family tree also see Lawson family of recusants But why Arthur Bertram is remembered at Bedale, rather than Whitby, if he is going to be remembered in Yorkshire, I don't know. How far away is Whitby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 31 December , 2003 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2003 Nice work Christine. I think you've found him. I've just had time to have a quick glance through the info and I'll have a proper look later but there are a few references to places closer to Bedale than Whitby, which is approx. 50 miles away. Thanks again and I'll let you know how I get on. Happy New Year. Still 1/2 hour to go here. Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliecoco Posted 1 January , 2004 Share Posted 1 January , 2004 Hi Roger and Christine, Last night on the chat room Christine asked if I would look up the 1901 census on Arthur, here is what I found. Arthur Lawson, aged 43, born in Whitby Yorkshire, living at 83 High Street, Houndslow, Middx. Married to Ada Lawson aged 36, who was born in Marylebone London. Arthurs occupation/profession was a Chemist News Agent, his employment status Own Account. Only Arthur and Ada were listed as living at this address. Hope this helps you Roger! Alie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 1 January , 2004 Share Posted 1 January , 2004 Well no it doesn't If Arthur the chemist was married to Ada in 1901, with no children, then his 2nd marriage must have been later, and his son Arthur, from the 2nd marriage, who I thought could be Arthur Bertram, must have been only a child in 1914 However Arthur Bertram could have been another member of the family. Roger, get in touch with the Lawson family tree poster Alie, is there an Arthur Bertram Lawson anywhere in 1901? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 2 January , 2004 Share Posted 2 January , 2004 Lt Col AB Lawson 2/5 Glosters Officers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 2 January , 2004 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2004 Christine & Alie, Thanks for your help. I have emailed the famly tree poster to see if that turns anything up. Can anyone identify the medals worn by Lt. Col Lawson? Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliecoco Posted 2 January , 2004 Share Posted 2 January , 2004 Hi, OK I have found an Arthur Bertram Lawson on the 1901 census, who was aged 18, single, at the Royal Military College in Sandhurst, whose occupation was a Gentleman Cadet. He was born in Leeds Yorkshire. Do you think this is him? Alie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 2 January , 2004 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2004 Sounds like it could be him Alie. My email to the Lawson family tree originator was returned to me, so no luck there. Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 2 January , 2004 Share Posted 2 January , 2004 The only birth that could fit is this Births Mar 1883 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAWSON Theresa Leeds 9b 514 LAWSON Male Leeds 9b 517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 2 January , 2004 Share Posted 2 January , 2004 Sandhurst Royal Military College Sandhurst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 2 January , 2004 Share Posted 2 January , 2004 Roger, this might be a better place to tryLawson Family Newsletter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesmessenger Posted 2 January , 2004 Share Posted 2 January , 2004 A few more additions: Lawson was commissioned into 11 H on 8 May 01, promoted Lt 27 Feb 02 and Capt 22 Feb 09. He commanded A Sqn 11 H for a period during WW1 and his nephew, JCAD Lawson commanded the same squadron in the desert for two years from 1941-3. He was commissioned into 11 H on 2 Feb 33. As for the photograph, he is wearing the DSO with rosette (to indicate) bar, and 1914 Star. Not sure what third medal is. Interesting that he is wearing 11 H collar badges. Charles M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 2 January , 2004 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2004 Charles, Thankyou for that. Every piece of information helps. I went to the local museum this morning to see if they could shed any light on a connection with Bedale but it is closed until april for renovation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 4 January , 2004 Share Posted 4 January , 2004 I suggest you also go to the Bedale Catholic Church and see if they know anything about the Lawson family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 4 January , 2004 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2004 I went to the church yesterday to see if there was a memorial plaue inside to Lt. Col. Lawson. Funnily enough there wasn't, perhaps I should have gone to the Catholic church Thanks for that tip Christine. Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 31 January , 2004 Author Share Posted 31 January , 2004 This is taking some time but I think I am a step closer to finding a link with Bedale. In 1913 Sir Arthur Tredgold Lawson Bart. was a Justice of the peace in Bedale. I believe he could have been the father of Lt. Col Lawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 2 March , 2004 Share Posted 2 March , 2004 Today I got a phone call from a man in NZ, who, when searching the net for mention of Lawson came across this thread, and realised I too was in NZ and searched the phone book. He is a relative of Col Lawson DSO and has the entire family tree! Unfortunately I did not take his number but did invite him to join us here and add to the thread. Mr Lawson, please add more to the thread, and maybe you can help Roger who is researching a memorial with your relative on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glosters Posted 2 March , 2004 Share Posted 2 March , 2004 2/5th bn War Diary: 24th June 1918 – Quiet. Lt-Col. A.B. Lawson, DSO missing from recce patrol 6.30 am. 1 OR killed. Major Miller takes command. p.s. I see that you have copied the entry from my web site, I don't mind it being used but it would be nice to cited as the source; as Christine has done for the photo. Steve http://www.redcoat.info/1918off.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 5 March , 2004 Author Share Posted 5 March , 2004 Steve, Thankyou for thr information. I can only apologise not citing you as the source for my origonal post but I didn't know you were. I was sent the info by a friend who didn't say where the information was from. Anyway, thanks again, Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glosters Posted 5 March , 2004 Share Posted 5 March , 2004 Thanks Roger, I'm not usually touchy about it, but I found a page on a site that had copied a page from mine and stuck their copyright at the bottom of it! After years of research and creating three websites I was a bit ******! If anyone is interested my other sites are: http://www.redcoat.info/memindex3.htm http://www.angelfire.com/mp/memorials/memindz1.htm Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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