Woodsc Posted 14 October , 2007 Share Posted 14 October , 2007 Hi Can anyone please help me ??? I am trying to identify details on a set of medals and any additional information relating to the receipient The information is as follows WW1 British War Medal ~ F.A Smith SMN M.F.A Long Service & Good Conduct Medal ~ 276 E.U F.A. Smith.ENGN R.N.R Hope someone can provide information or point me in the right direction (struggled to find anything on the National Archive) Regards...Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submarine Posted 14 October , 2007 Share Posted 14 October , 2007 Hi Colin BWM -SMN -Seaman MFA - Marine Fleet Auxillary. LS&GC -ENG - Engineer. Not sure what the E.U.F.A. is ?. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 14 October , 2007 Share Posted 14 October , 2007 The RNR Long Service Medal is the Medal with the Dreadnought & "Dirtune Fidelis" on the reverse ;The Monarch in Naval Uniform, for Prewar & WW1 era awards{ie EdVII & George V} on the Obverse,The Medal is worn from a Green Ribbon,later changed to equal Stripes of Green & White{5} The "E" I believe refers to the term of Service on RNR Medals[ie starting with "A" for one period etc;}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 14 October , 2007 Share Posted 14 October , 2007 His WWI medals might be on ADM 171/132 Meb-War Mercantile Marine Reserve: Ratings Check BT 351 to see if he also applied for the Mercantile Marine War Medal and BT 349 to look for his Register of Seamen index cards for 1918-21, he might also have continued serving and also be in BT 350. LS&GC -ENGN - Engineman Not sure what the E.U.F.A. is ?.E.U. Engineman in his third 5 year term of enrollment. EU276 is his service number. FA are his initials. Copies of RNR service cards will be in BT377/7 on microfilm at Kew, in service number order; originals at the Fleet Air Arm Museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spithead Posted 14 October , 2007 Share Posted 14 October , 2007 RNR Engine Room Artificers in their 3rd term of enrolment have the Suffix letters E.C. The letters E.U. are a mystery. Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 15 October , 2007 Share Posted 15 October , 2007 Colin, In addition to the very knowledgable posts above you need to know that there are many sequences of numbers used for RNR ratings, complicated by wartime enlistments. Your best bet is to consult the BT 377 record cards as per ardua per mare per terram suggests. These are on fiche at TNA. This will give you details on the 5 year enlistment for which he was given the number EU276. Also, much depends on when the LS&GC was awarded, which King is on the obverse (front) of the medal? This medal will be recorded on one of these medal rolls: - ADM 171/70 Reserve Long Service Medal: recipients 1909-1912 ADM 171/71 Reserve Long Service Medal: recipients 1912-1937 ADM 171/72 Reserve Long Service Medal: recipients 1938-1949 He would qualify for it after 15 service in the RNR. Best Regards Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsc Posted 15 October , 2007 Author Share Posted 15 October , 2007 Thanks to everyone who has replied so far ~ it is appreciated ~ Regards...Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 15 October , 2007 Share Posted 15 October , 2007 BT 377/6 Alphabetical indexes to service numbers (microfilm copies): S-Z should show all his service numbers. His service cards should also show when he was awarded the LSGC medal. E.S. Engineman (Trawler Service) in his first 5 year term of enrollment. EU is just the progression from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsc Posted 15 October , 2007 Author Share Posted 15 October , 2007 Colin, In addition to the very knowledgable posts above you need to know that there are many sequences of numbers used for RNR ratings, complicated by wartime enlistments. Your best bet is to consult the BT 377 record cards as per ardua per mare per terram suggests. These are on fiche at TNA. This will give you details on the 5 year enlistment for which he was given the number EU276. Also, much depends on when the LS&GC was awarded, which King is on the obverse (front) of the medal? This medal will be recorded on one of these medal rolls: - ADM 171/70 Reserve Long Service Medal: recipients 1909-1912 ADM 171/71 Reserve Long Service Medal: recipients 1912-1937 ADM 171/72 Reserve Long Service Medal: recipients 1938-1949 He would qualify for it after 15 service in the RNR. Best Regards Hugh Hi Hugh The responses I have received reference specific files within the National Archive ~ I,m not really upto speed in searching the archive ~ are the files quoted by your goodself and as per ardua per mare per terram freely available to access or do you have to register/subscribe etc ~ I have located the referenced files but when I try to browse I am not able to view the information Can you offer any guidance for a novice ???? Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 16 October , 2007 Share Posted 16 October , 2007 Colin, All of the serials you need to look at are either on microfiche: - 1) BT377 record card(s) or on microfilm: - 2) ADM 171/70, 71 or 72 (LS&GC roll) 3) ADM 171/124 Sha-Z (RNR ratings WWI campaign medals) or ADM 171/132 Meb-War (Merchantile Marine Reserve ratings WWI campaign medals) 4) BT 377/6 Alphabetical indexes to service numbers (microfilm copies): S-Z, this, as per ardua states, records the number given to him for each of his enlistments, an example is shown below BT 377/7 Note this page reads from right to left showing numbered enlistements from A for the first 5 year term to E for the fifth 5 year term (the second enlistment number is missing) In short, everything you need to look at is accessed in person at TNA. If you can't get there let me know. Below is an example of an LS&GC roll ADM 171/70 Best Regards Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 16 October , 2007 Share Posted 16 October , 2007 Sorry, these files that I've quoted are all offline in the Microfilm Reading Room at Kew, including the Merchant Navy records. Below are the details of how to visit Kew and get a ticket. The records are free to access, but cost to copy. There are various threads on the forum about the Fleet Air Arm Museum where the original cards are held. As the ship names were recorded in red they did not always copy well for the microfisches. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/visit/p...e=ddmenu_visit1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 16 October , 2007 Share Posted 16 October , 2007 (the second enlistment number is missing) From what I have seen in WW1 the RNR seem to have suspended their renumbering both for the usual 5 year re enrolments and even if they swapped betweem sections. So men kept the number they started the war with(in this case his A number) for longer than normal and skipped a number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 17 October , 2007 Share Posted 17 October , 2007 per ardua per mare per terram, Thanks for that. It makes perfect sense. Cheers Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted 28 October , 2008 Share Posted 28 October , 2008 Hi Can anyone please help me ??? I am trying to identify details on a set of medals and any additional information relating to the receipient The information is as follows WW1 British War Medal ~ F.A Smith SMN M.F.A Long Service & Good Conduct Medal ~ 276 E.U F.A. Smith.ENGN R.N.R Hope someone can provide information or point me in the right direction (struggled to find anything on the National Archive) Regards...Colin I presume it is normal that in this case the BWM doesn't have the man's service number? Can anyone confirm? Cheers SteveB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 28 October , 2008 Share Posted 28 October , 2008 I presume it is normal that in this case the BWM doesn't have the man's service number? Can anyone confirm? Yes, as far as I know the MFA did not use service numbers. It was derived from the merchant service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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