brianmorris547 Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 (edited) H 4164 Dated to November / December 1915 - Mediterranean. Royal Engineers. I posted this on RE Sick and Wounded p 4. (Ancestry WO 363 Smi 181890) Edited 8 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 Thanks to @David26 and his list of my postings, I posted another H4164 near the end of page 57. It shows that the men were either admitted to or transferred 54 C C S H Sulva between 20th-23rd Nov, so spot on with your dating Brian. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 (edited) Thinking about those FmP odd bits of paper that are from casualty sheets torn in half, the probability is that there are about as many right hand bits of paper as left hand bits. Of course not the same whole sheet in that the 60% destruction of service records will reduce the possibility of matches. FmP have indexed the left hand half sheets as well as the whole sheets. (Do we know if they have done a few, most, or all?) They have not indexed the right hand half sheets because they have no names. But these right hand half sheets do contain the dates and the sheet number. Furthermore FmP have not indexed service numbers that might be legible where the name is illegible or only part legible. (We, who have the time, can probably put a name to a service number if we have a bit of context) I'm wondering what more there is to gain from these un-indexed right hand half-pages and if we should be reporting them here? Charlie Edited 26 February , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 2 hours ago, dink999 said: 28 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Thinking about those FmP odd bits of paper that are from casualty sheets torn in half, the probability is that there are about as many right hand bits of paper as left hand bits. Of course not the same whole sheet in that the 60% destruction of service records will reduce the possibility of matches. FmP have indexed the left hand half sheets as well as the whole sheets. (Do we know if they have done a few, most, or all?) They have not indexed the right hand half sheets because they have no names. But these right hand half sheets do contain the dates and the sheet number. Furthermore FmP have not indexed service numbers that might be legible where the name is illegible or only part legible. (We, who have the time, can probably put a name to a service number if we have a bit of context) I'm wondering what more there is to gain from these un-indexed right hand half-pages and if we should be reporting them here? Charlie Thanks to @David26 and his list of my postings, I posted another H4164 near the end of page 57. It shows that the men were either admitted to or transferred 54 C C S H Sulva between 20th-23rd Nov, so spot on with your dating Brian. Dave Dave 6896 Lambley, T was also admitted to 54 CCS in November and evacuated to England on 24/11/1915. Charlie When I was posting the RE lists some years ago I did find a lot of right hand half pages and because I kept hard copies at the time I was able to marry one or two up. I no longer have them unfortunately. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 4 hours ago, brianmorris547 said: H 4164 Dated to November / December 1915 - Mediterranean. Royal Engineers. Not one that I have posted before. (Ancestry WO 363 Smi 181890) Thanks Brian. dink999 posted a list H.4164 on page 57 (and an amendment to H.4164 on page 56) but neither is the same as your list so again, this is a new one for us. And so to answer @TEW's query earlier, with this list there are now 4435 entries on the index. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 I am working through my associated thread Royal Engineers Sick and Wounded 1916 in order to date the partial lists. I may come across one or two that I married up from right hand half pages. I have no record of posting this one before, HB 5889 - (Ancestry WO 363 Ham 36907). Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 1 hour ago, brianmorris547 said: I am working through my associated thread Royal Engineers Sick and Wounded 1916 in order to date the partial lists. I may come across one or two that I married up from right hand half pages. I have no record of posting this one before, HB 5889 - (Ancestry WO 363 Ham 36907). Brian Thanks Brian. Yes, that's another new one. A short while ago I posted the first version of the index to all these lists on a new thread called Casualty Lists - an index which I had baselined as of last night, so apologies that this one won't appear on it, though I shall make sure it appears on the first update to the index. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 (edited) Just looked at your new thread. Great start. You have one PG which seems to be India covering Mespot,and even ex Waziristan in 1917 at least. Here is a sheet on fmp that makes ref to several PGs in 9792, 96 and 98 of June 1917. "British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Image | findmypast.co.uk" https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007316030%2F00800&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2FSUPP%2F196416 Charlie Ps The missing name at the bottom is 11492 Hickinbottom, James of the Leicester's. His name comes up on some other sheets, unnumbered half-sheets but this is an example of what extra info could be lurking in those half-sheets where name is not visible. Edited 27 February , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 Thank you brianmorris547. Another one for me. 928 SPR. H.J. TAPPING. R.E. 2/1 Welsh. I have his 1914/5 star named to 928 SPR. H.J. TAPPING. R.E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 4 hours ago, Jim Strawbridge said: Thank you brianmorris547. Another one for me. 928 SPR. H.J. TAPPING. R.E. 2/1 Welsh. I have his 1914/5 star named to 928 SPR. H.J. TAPPING. R.E. Jim I can not find a WD for 2/1 Welsh FC at Suvla before December 1915. There is one page for December in WO 95/4322, which is under Royal Engineers - 53 Div in Ancestry Gallipoli War Diaries. It records that prior to December the Co were under Corps Command at 9 Corps HQ mainly employed at West Beach, (Suvla). Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 1 hour ago, brianmorris547 said: Jim I can not find a WD for 2/1 Welsh FC at Suvla before December 1915. There is one page for December in WO 95/4322, which is under Royal Engineers - 53 Div in Ancestry Gallipoli War Diaries. It records that prior to December the Co were under Corps Command at 9 Corps HQ mainly employed at West Beach, (Suvla). Brian Thank you, Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 (edited) Casualty reports relating to India and Mespot seem so hard to come by I have started a thread under subsection India to collect some as I find them. If anyone else finds any I would be very grateful if a copy or link could be posted to my topic here. eg the PG series and I dont know what others? Edited 27 February , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 15 hours ago, charlie962 said: Casualty reports relating to India and Mespot seem so hard to come by I have started a thread under subsection India to collect some as I find them. If anyone else finds any I would be very grateful if a copy or link could be posted to my topic here. eg the PG series and I dont know what others? Charlie, I was taking a couple of days off after completing the Newfoundland lists before starting to post what I have collated and catalogued from FMP, over 5,000 from various list prefixes. I have 96 PG lists so far and 16 from India (IN) which I will now start to post, though I wonder whether to post them here or on your new topic? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 According to my list of RE lists and David's Index I posted H 6285 on page 33. The system works. Here is another part of H 6285 with RFA names. (Ancestry WO 363 Llo 4927). Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 40 minutes ago, brianmorris547 said: According to my list of RE lists and David's Index I posted H 6285 on page 33. The system works. Here is another part of H 6285 with RFA names. Excellent. Thanks Brian, David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 It's just worked again. H 5874 - List showing RE from February 1916 that I missed years ago. The Ancestry version is at WO 363 Orr 6030 but is unreadable. I have attached the FMP version in the record of 3397 Matthew Orrick. H 5978 - Another RFA list from February 1916. 1042 D Laidlaw was on one of my partial RE lists in my thread. Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 43 minutes ago, brianmorris547 said: H 5874 - List showing RE from February 1916 that I missed years ago. The Ancestry version is at WO 363 Orr 6030 but is unreadable. I have attached the FMP version in the record of 3397 Matthew Orrick. Brian. I have come across many lists looking like this one. Using picasa I can quickly and simply alter to image to make it easlier to read. If you want to pm me any you find like this I can change them before sending them back to you to post Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, dink999 said: have 96 PG lists so far and 16 from India (IN) which I will now start to post, though I wonder whether to post them here or on your new topic? Excellent! I should have been more patient. Whilst I would be very grateful if you added them to my new topic where I can focus on them I must not interfere with your great works. Charlie Edit -you would probably prefer to keep them on this thread as it makes indexing more logical. I will copy to my thread those that I chose. I can then expand on things like whether or not FmP have indexed all the names etc. Does that seem sensible? Edited 28 February , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 5 hours ago, dink999 said: was taking a couple of days off What!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 That sounds like a plan, especially as I also have around150 with the HD prefix that have a Persian/India reference. I’ll sort out a few to post on Tuesday Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 Dave I'm impressed with picasa. I'll let you know if I find any more. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 1 March , 2022 Share Posted 1 March , 2022 Here is the batch of casualty lists that I have found with the IN(India) prefix. I have only found 16 pages, the earliest being IN 426 from April 1918. IN 529 is dated May 1918 so I would think that these list only started in Dec 1917 or Jan 1918. The latest is IN 4853 dated March 1920. All images come from FMP mostly in WO363 but the odd one could be from WO364 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 I posted this partial list H 1436 on RE Sick and Wounded some years ago and I am going through the thread to date the lists. H 1436 dates to September 1915, Pnr Freeman adm hos 04/09/1915 and to England 11/09/1915. Pnr Hales Served in the BEF up to 12/09/1915. (Ancestry WO 363 Syk 16761). Pnr Freeman is also on another list H 1287 dated September 1915. (Ancestry WO 363 New 72511). I can not find either on the index. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 Thank you. Another one for me. 117 S/S T. THIRLWELL. R.F.A. (3/Northd. Bde. 1, Durh. Batt.). I have his 1914/5 star named to 117 SD. SJT. T. THIRLWELL. R.F.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 (edited) No trace of this list on the index. HA 15720. (Ancestry WO 363 Her 32888). Pte Leonard DLI was named on a partial RE list attached to a Tunnelling Company in 1916. EDIT: Nor this one HB 7690. (Ancestry WO 363 Gil 97536). Brian. Edited 4 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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