TEW Posted 16 April , 2022 Share Posted 16 April , 2022 Glad previous batch is now visible, no idea what glitch did that. 29 minutes ago, Tony Ferguson said: TEW any word on the Symingtons? Andrew Symington 24168 R.Ir.Fu James Symington 14606 R Sc.Fu I believe Andrew was on the Casualty list in Mar 1917. James may have been blinded Thx in anticipation Tony, Andrew does show on the Official Casualty List printed in The Times 29/3/17, shell shock. Probably wounded early March. James does not appear in an online list but there various possibilities why not. Both men would appear on at least one of the list types posted in this topic but that's not to say either man has turned up as yet. These lists turn up randomly in other soldiers' service files and some medal rolls. The current total exceeds 5000 lists/images and at present even looking through lists of approximately the right date is quite a task. I have searched Findmypast for both Symingtons and had no luck with any list but having spent much of the week searching for names/numbers from known lists I have to say FMP's indexing system is either sporadic or just peculiar. I'll check tomorrow against a 'work in progress' project regarding these lists. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 17 April , 2022 Share Posted 17 April , 2022 Can anyone please make this image darker as I can't read the number to see if it's been added yet. Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 17 April , 2022 Share Posted 17 April , 2022 It's 22864 and not showing on the list. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 17 April , 2022 Share Posted 17 April , 2022 Excellent! Hope someone can darken the image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KernelPanic Posted 17 April , 2022 Share Posted 17 April , 2022 35 minutes ago, Bardess said: Excellent! Hope someone can darken the image Here's a bit of a Photoshop tweak, including some slight sharpening. It's not perfect by any means because of the resolution of the original scan, but I hope it helps. BTW I also changed it from RGB to grayscale to reduce the file size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 17 April , 2022 Share Posted 17 April , 2022 Thanks KP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 18 April , 2022 Share Posted 18 April , 2022 On 16/04/2022 at 10:19, TEW said: Apologies for starting the day with a complicated one. This one may seem to match spreadsheet #4821 & #4822 which are lists with two numbers - 25459 & C/491. However, this one is different. I've compared names and there's no crossover to #4821 & #4822. It is also marked as page 3 but is another page 3! It is dated ~ 3 weeks after #4821 & #4822 but refers back to events of ~3 weeks before #4821 & #4822 so it maybe some sort of progress list but does not say so. It further complicates things by have a third number sequence which doesn't seem to correlate to anything known as yet. It's page 3 which starts with a continuation of list 115/5861 and then starts with 115/5862 which is also IDd as (WO 25459 - C/491). It's possible the RA office created the 115/**** sequence from the WO sequence. TEW 25459 - C/491 page 3 Tew, I have got this list and others with the 115 reference that have been perplexing me for a while. The attached lists include the references 115/5940 R. H. & R.F.A. WO26031- C/949{error should be 494] Those named appear on list 26031 C/494. After a bit of research I'm wondering whether the lists with the 115 prefix were compiled from the originals for statistical purposes. as the National Archives have the following under WO115 here Reference: WO 115 Title: War Office: Directorate of Army Medical Services: Reports, Returns and Summaries Description: This series consists of annual statistical returns of the Director General, Army Medical Services by commands, at home and abroad, of admissions to hospital, deaths, discharges from the Army and periods of treatment; and annual reports of the Deputy Directors of Medical Services on the health of troops, the prevalence of disease and work of military hospitals. It's just a theory but the best explanation I can come up with. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 18 April , 2022 Share Posted 18 April , 2022 Dink999, Glad someone else picked up on the 115 references. I've been seeing more lists with a 115 ref. sometimes annotated in pencil. So far I think they're all Artillery which is why I thought they were possibly created by the RA office who received (for your example) the 25992 list from the WO and created their own system. I've also been seeing 115 refs. In service files. The snippet I provided for Heale is from FMP but with more entries. His 115 refs. seem to be POW related but that's clearly not the case for all men. TEW https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007405574%2f00089&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7405574%2f4%2f76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 18 April , 2022 Share Posted 18 April , 2022 Another 2 lists that are linked by the 115 reference. At the bottom of the first image is the ref 115/6056 along with WO 26799. The 2nd image, list 26799 has the hand written 115/6056 at the top. The first 6 names (Sullivan to Long) appear on both lists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 18 April , 2022 Share Posted 18 April , 2022 These do seem to be RH & RFA references. Your last one has a batch of RGA which have not been crossed off (checked) and the list was received and stamped by RH & RFA Woolwich. It's all work in progress though and more of such lists may prove otherwise. I'm not sure about the WO115 theory, don't know when WO115 was put together as a PRO series but it would mean only 115 documents were extracted from other records? Diaries were marked up with 121 references but became WO95. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 18 April , 2022 Share Posted 18 April , 2022 These 3 are linked. List no. 25101 with 20123 Dr. Phillips and Pte. 56886 Norker are on all 3 one of which is an amendments list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 19 April , 2022 Share Posted 19 April , 2022 Another batch. TEW First one is a progress list, not sure if the P has faded but it should be (I think) P 121830 27336 28677 14217 13118 21810 & 21823 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferguson Posted 19 April , 2022 Share Posted 19 April , 2022 On 16/04/2022 at 21:34, TEW said: Glad previous batch is now visible, no idea what glitch did that. Tony, Andrew does show on the Official Casualty List printed in The Times 29/3/17, shell shock. Probably wounded early March. James does not appear in an online list but there various possibilities why not. Both men would appear on at least one of the list types posted in this topic but that's not to say either man has turned up as yet. These lists turn up randomly in other soldiers' service files and some medal rolls. The current total exceeds 5000 lists/images and at present even looking through lists of approximately the right date is quite a task. I have searched Findmypast for both Symingtons and had no luck with any list but having spent much of the week searching for names/numbers from known lists I have to say FMP's indexing system is either sporadic or just peculiar. I'll check tomorrow against a 'work in progress' project regarding these lists. TEW Thanks for this TEW. I find the indexing and searching capabilities in FMP, Ancestry and FWR to be quite clunky and unsatisfactory. Your efforts are much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 20 April , 2022 Share Posted 20 April , 2022 Some more. TEW H 7093 HB 18472 H 5912 Same dates but not the same as David's #387. H 5917 Same dates but not the same as David's #563. H 5906 Same dates but not the same as David's #454 or #2867. E 10545 C 1352 25680 13511 H 2177 sheet 8 of 27341 which is amendments to 23482 Progress reports P 146131, P 146132, P 146133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 22 April , 2022 Share Posted 22 April , 2022 (edited) Even more. All images sourced from FindmyPast. TEW Progress reports; P 76912, P 76913, P 76914 & P 76916 HA 12571 HA 29507 HA 33287 P 105890 HA 8861. Not the same as spreadsheet #2665 HA 30024 16729 HB 10580 P 91333 Amendment to 28752. Refers to 28740 M 7193 & M 7194 H 1282 Edited 9 April by TEW Removed two lists / Restored Images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 23 April , 2022 Share Posted 23 April , 2022 A few more from India that I've come across in the last few days IN 1004 IN2491 IN2521 IN2617 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 23 April , 2022 Share Posted 23 April , 2022 IN2967 IN3566 IN4114 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 23 April , 2022 Share Posted 23 April , 2022 More TEW P 123813 H 7391. Different list to the other three lists of same number. HA 15848 C 1326 M 5608 HA 30042 sheet 2 H 7377 P 29108, P29114, P 291115 & P 29116 HA 14657 PM 238. Two halves found in one man's SR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 25 April , 2022 Share Posted 25 April , 2022 (edited) On 18/04/2022 at 12:03, dink999 said: The attached lists include the references 115/5940 R. H. & R.F.A. WO26031- C/949{error should be 494] Those named appear on list 26031 C/494. I have been puzzling for a while how best to replicate these sorts of sheets on the index. My proposal would be as follows but would welcome thoughts: 5079 25992 1915 06 14 66 dink999 Extract 5080 25993 1915 06 14 66 dink999 Extract 5081 26031 1915 06 04 66 dink999 Extract. This list has two reference numbers: 26031 and C/494. Some of the men listed here appear in 4823 / 4824 5082 C 494 1915 06 15 66 dink999 Extract. This list has two reference numbers: 26031 and C/494. Some of the men listed here appear in 4823 / 4824 5083 26131 1915 06 15 66 dink999 Extract 5084 26132 1915 06 15 66 dink999 Extract David. Edited 25 April , 2022 by David26 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 25 April , 2022 Share Posted 25 April , 2022 1 hour ago, David26 said: have been puzzling for a while how best to replicate these sorts of sheets on the index. My proposal would be as follows but would welcome thoughts: 5079 25992 1915 06 14 66 dink999 Extract 5080 25993 1915 06 14 66 dink999 Extract 5081 26031 1915 06 04 66 dink999 Extract. This list has two reference numbers: 26031 and C/494. Some of the men listed here appear in 4823 / 4824 5082 C 494 1915 06 15 66 dink999 Extract. This list has two reference numbers: 26031 and C/494. Some of the men listed here appear in 4823 / 4824 5083 26131 1915 06 15 66 dink999 Extract 5084 26132 1915 06 15 66 dink999 Extract David That looks clear and simple enough to me. I’ll dig out the handful of others that have the 115 reference and post them. Not expecting to find many more of these but you never know. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 25 April , 2022 Share Posted 25 April , 2022 Thanks Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 27 April , 2022 Share Posted 27 April , 2022 Another batch. TEW. 17648 19066 also C/454, sheet 5. List has been seen before but not sheet 5. Sheet 13 of an amendments list missing its number. Lists being amended are 20966, 20967, 20969, 20973. I've been looking at these amendment lists so it's possible a list number will be available. Sheet 3 of 21071 Sheet 2 of 21846 Lists 22409, 22424, 22428, 22432. H 124. Not the same as the 166 - 166.4 group. This is sheet 2. H 124 is an amendment list for earlier lists with no prefix. This one is for 18359, 18550, 18711. I've reconstructed this version from two damaged images. HA 15868 HA 22157 PM 192 not the same as #282 which is sheet 6, this is sheet 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferguson Posted 27 April , 2022 Share Posted 27 April , 2022 TEW Sorry to be such a novice...where can I find the Casualty List for March 29, 1917? Please advise Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 27 April , 2022 Share Posted 27 April , 2022 52 minutes ago, Tony Ferguson said: TEW Sorry to be such a novice...where can I find the Casualty List for March 29, 1917? Please advise Thanks Hi Tony, Several, sometimes dozens of lists were produced every day. Although there are now well over 5000 lists posted here, that is still a fairly small fraction of the total which appear to have been produced. We don't have one for that specific date. The closest we have is HA.7940 with casualties from 27 March 17 and HA.8231 with casualties from 4 April 17. As you can see, there will have been some 290 other lists produced in the week between these two. The chances of finding a specific list are, sadly, very small though several forum pals are doing a sterling job in digging them out so there is always hope! David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 27 April , 2022 Share Posted 27 April , 2022 There would have been numerous such lists for a specific date and different lists for different theatres of war. At present there are none for 29/3/1917 among the 66 pages of this topic. HA 7940 is circa 27/3/1917 and HA 8231 is 4/4/1917 which means there could be 291 lists between. Maybe worth knowing that a wounded or sick man would show on various lists for every event IE. admission to hospital, improving/getting worse, discharge to Convalescent Camp or hospital ship. If 29/3/17 is a known date for being wounded you'd be hoping for lists from 30th/31st to the end of April for that theatre (France?). At present there is no simple way to view the lists by date order. You'd have to download the spreadsheet, sort it by date and trawl the given pages. https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/296431-casualty-lists-an-index/ Given that approx 291 lists for an eight day period may not exist anywhere the chances are slim but are slowly improving. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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